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On Twitter, @GabrielMalor Posts Stunning List Of Lefties Wrong On Right Wing Violence
The Right Scoop ^ | 12/14/2013 | Caleb Howe

Posted on 12/14/2013 4:32:21 PM PST by absentee

Gabriel Malor of Ace of Spades HQ has had just about enough of the mainstream media making every and any attempt to paint consevatives and tea partiers as a violent, unhinged fringe. In an excellent example of the power of social media, Malor takes down the media's false narrative in a devastating series of tweets.

Sept 2009: census-taker Bill Sparkman found hanged in rural Kentucky. Media speculated it was Tea Party. (He killed himself.)— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) December 14, 2013

Feb 2010: Joe Stack flies small plane into an IRS building. Anti-tax TP rhetoric blamed. (He quoted from the Communist Manifesto.)— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) December 14, 2013

Feb 2010: Amy Bishop shoots colleagues at University of Alabama faculty meeting. Gun-loving Tea Party suspected. (She was an Obama voter.)— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) December 14, 2013


(Excerpt) Read more at therightscoop.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; civility; msm; rightwing; twitter; violence
The list just goes on and on and on.
1 posted on 12/14/2013 4:32:21 PM PST by absentee
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To: absentee

I will never forget the FBI profiler and the Beltway Snipers. He was certain it was some right wing hate group.

Then they started looking for two White Men in a blue van.

Oh, I forgot about chief Moose almost deified and in the end had nothing to do with the capture of the two Black Muslims.


2 posted on 12/14/2013 4:37:31 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: absentee

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janice-harper/omar-thornton-shooting_b_917146.html

Huff Post implied Omar was not a bad guy. It seems they were upset that the shooting did not get enough publicity.


3 posted on 12/14/2013 4:39:15 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: absentee
Good post...He goes on for a dozen examples....."Happens every time there's violence where the motive is not immediately known. The media speculates and inevitably suggests RWNJ."
4 posted on 12/14/2013 4:39:16 PM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: absentee
We had to burn down the village—or Constitution, or any pretence of truth—to save it.

By the way, Sunday is Double Double Dessert Dessert Day Day. Don't let America down.

5 posted on 12/14/2013 4:40:36 PM PST by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: absentee
Good list.
I take a slight issue with the Loughner classification. Yes, the primary cause was that he was insane, but I wouldn't quite call him 'apolitical'. He was a leftist and was initially a Gifford fan. He was miffed because she wasn't leftist enough, and also did not enthusiastically embrace his emails or comments.

Also, if you want to find a real common thread behind these shooters -- it is their atheistic world view. There are certainly some mentally ill Christians (illness are a result of the Fall, and some are illnesses of the brain, as well as the body), but all of these psycho murderers have not just been leftists, but atheists. I think the Holy Spirit holds the Believers back -- even if they are suffering through bouts of insanity.

6 posted on 12/14/2013 4:46:19 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: absentee
Re: the Congresswoman Giffords shooting in Arizona. Recall they tried to say he was a right-winger

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7 posted on 12/14/2013 4:57:04 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: absentee
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IRS plane crasher Joe Stack sums up his “manifesto” with this: a popular Karl Marx quote and a stab at Capitalism...

“The communist creed:
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed:
From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.”

-Joe Stack (1956-2010)

8 posted on 12/14/2013 4:57:29 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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"The woman accused of killing three colleagues at the University of Alabama in Huntsville [Amy Bishop] was a suspect in a 1993 attempted mail bombing, according to a report by The Boston Globe.

The report broke the day after it was learned that Bishop fatally shot her brother in Braintree in 1986. ..."

http://www.necn.com/02/14/10/Amy-Bishop-at-time-of-1993-mail-bomb-inv/landing.html?blockID=180453&feedID=4215
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"A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with President Obama to the point of being off-putting."--Boston Herald, February 15, 2010

'Oddball' portrait of Amy Bishop emerges:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0

9 posted on 12/14/2013 4:58:03 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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From SFGate.com:

Unabomber essay urges attacks on 'techno-industrial system'
July 27, 2002 | By Dan Eggen, Dominic Gates, Washington Post

In an article published this spring by Green Anarchy, a radical environmental newsletter, [unabomber Ted] Kaczynski calls on revolutionaries to "eliminate the entire techno-industrial system" by "hitting where it hurts" and disparages the activities of most radicals as "pointless." ..."

“The fall 2001 issue of Green Anarchy published a letter from Kaczynski complaining that Subcomandante Marcos, leader of the Zapatista rebels in Chiapas, Mexico, was insufficiently pure as a revolutionary because he advocates bringing water and electricity to peasants....”

http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-07-27/news/17554242_1_contention-that-modern-society-radical-environmental-newsletter-kaczynski-kaczynski-s-views/2
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From anarchist-org.forum:

The Zapatista Army of National Liberation (El Ejército Zapatista de Liberación Nacional) is an anarcho communist army that is based in Mexico, mainly the poorest state in Mexico, Chiapas. In 1994, January 1st, they started their revolution and it has been increasingly successful throughout the years. Today, they are attempting non-violent struggles because the people told them too — they are truly an army of the people. However, both the people and their army are realizing how unsuccessful that tactic is.

Their ideology, Zapatismo, is a mixture of indigenous teachings, autonomism, anarchism and communism. Although other revolutions are going on in the world (like the Southern African anarcho communist movement), the Zapatista revolution was deemed the first modern revolution of our time and it’s bringing hope to people not only in Mexico, but around the world.”

http://anarchist-org.forum-gratuiti.net/t206-zapatista-anarcho-communist-revolution

10 posted on 12/14/2013 4:58:33 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Last one...


From the Wall Street Journal
NOVEMBER 24, 2007

Oswald was a dedicated communist who had defected to the Soviet Union in 1959 out of disgust with American capitalism. After becoming disillusioned with Soviet life, he returned to the U.S. in 1962. In early 1963, he bought a scoped rifle through the mail and soon used it to fire a shot (which missed) at retired general Edwin Walker, the head of the John Birch Society in Dallas. In the summer of 1963, Oswald was active in street demonstrations in support of Castro. In September 1963, he visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City seeking a travel visa that would allow him to travel to Cuba.

Oswald was among the radicals of the time who saw Third World revolutionaries like Castro as the wave of the communist future. He was well aware of Kennedy's efforts to overthrow Castro's regime. As a Senate investigative committee suggested in 1975, Oswald shot Kennedy to interrupt his administration's plans to assassinate Castro or to overthrow his regime in Cuba.

Ignoring Oswald's communist links, journalists and political leaders quickly claimed the president was a martyr to civil rights. Earl Warren said that Kennedy had "suffered martyrdom as a result of the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots." Martin Luther King said the assassination had to be viewed against the backdrop of violence against civil rights marchers in the South. James Reston wrote in the New York Times that "something in the nation itself, some strain of madness and violence, had destroyed the highest symbol of law and order."

The consensus opinion was that Kennedy was a victim of hate and bigotry, a casualty of his support for civil rights. The Cold War and Kennedy's ongoing feud with Castro were rarely mentioned as factors behind the assassination. The reasons? Mrs. Kennedy wanted her husband remembered as a modern-day Abraham Lincoln. Lyndon Johnson feared complicating relations with the Soviet Union. Liberals feared a replay of the McCarthy period, when the Wisconsin senator inflamed public opinion about fears of domestic communism.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119586848318702756.html

11 posted on 12/14/2013 4:59:04 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: absentee
Wasn't Adam Lanza a leftist?

I remember the Boston Marathon bombing, one of the alphabet stations had their "former FBI" expert on. 1-2 hours after the bombing from "his experience" he figured it was some right wing extremist.

From his experience??? Where's he from, Bizarro World???

12 posted on 12/14/2013 5:06:30 PM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: absentee

This is deliberate. They know the Tea Party isn’t violent, and that these people are not involved. But during the few hours to days where the situation is not known, they get some free time to smear the tea party, and no one can refute them, because the truth it no known. When the truth comes out, they change the subject and move on. They don’t want truth, they was to smear their enemies, and they take every opportunity they can get.


13 posted on 12/14/2013 5:06:54 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: absentee

This administration and their mouthpieces in the MSM have an obsession with the Tea Party. The Great Community Organizer somehow doesn’t like it when others community organize against anything His Preciousness says. Obama is out Nixoning Nixon... only now, unfortunately, the MSM turns a blind-eye to his extra-constitutional behavior.


14 posted on 12/14/2013 5:16:04 PM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Obama's communist buddies, Bill Ayers and his co-terrorist wife, Bernardine Dohrn, were certainly violent. He began his political career in Chicago in their living room. For some reason, he wanted or needed their advice and/or approval to enter politics.

"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
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"Dig It. First they killed those pigs [ie, rich people], then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09

15 posted on 12/14/2013 5:18:37 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: absentee

Just re-tweeted them all.


16 posted on 12/14/2013 5:25:06 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: absentee

A keeper.


17 posted on 12/14/2013 5:37:18 PM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: ETL

That looks like the fist the Mooch made in Chicago in her red and black dress.


18 posted on 12/14/2013 6:15:25 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: yarddog

Let’s not forget Brad Garrett, the CBS spokeshole and former FBI agent who was certain the Boston Marathon bombings were carried out by a “right-wing” anti-tax group.

Surprise, Brad, it was Muslims.

Or when Brian Ross of ABC claimed after the Aurora, CO movie theater shootings that there was a 50’s something guy named James Holmes who was a TEA Party official. Of course, he was not the shooter, he just shared the same name as the 20-something Occupy liberal who was the guilty party.


19 posted on 12/14/2013 6:22:31 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: JouleZ

It do.


20 posted on 12/14/2013 6:34:40 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: mountn man

....And a devil worshiper.


21 posted on 12/14/2013 7:48:47 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: absentee

Does anyone actually have the full list? I remember seeing one here once, but lost my copy.


22 posted on 12/14/2013 8:16:04 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: ETL

Check this out for a laugh

Unibomber or Gore Quiz

http://www.bbhq.com/gorequiz.htm


23 posted on 12/14/2013 8:58:19 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: absentee

Good to bookmark for future reference.


24 posted on 12/14/2013 10:01:34 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

it didn’t get enough publicity because it was immediately known this kid was a socialist. had he been right wing, this would be on headline news from now to the end of the year.


25 posted on 12/15/2013 2:05:49 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (www.greenhornshooting.com - Firearms training in Jacksonville, Fl.)
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To: absentee

Look at history, all the biggest killers are commies/fascists


26 posted on 12/15/2013 11:48:48 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
You are correct.

Some scholars estimate that the combined death toll of Stalin's rule of the Soviet Union between 1928 and 1953 and Mao's rule of China between 1949 and 1976 may approach 150 million. That's what you get from unfettered use of mass shootings, deliberate famine, labor camps and forced exile. The Nazis only claimed 10 million victims because World War II cut short their genocidal rampage.

27 posted on 12/15/2013 11:56:57 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

Yep. May be coming soon to our communities. Merry Christmas!


28 posted on 12/15/2013 1:20:34 PM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: absentee
And of course it all sucks, but the dems embrace it.

"Embrace the suck"--Nancy Pelosi, December 12, 2913

Nancy Pelosi on deal: 'Embrace the suck'
Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:14:22 PM · by ColdOne · 52 replies
politico.com ^ | 12/12/13 | GINGER GIBSON
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told Democratic House members at a meeting Thursday morning to “embrace the suck” and encouraged enough members to back the budget deal on the floor to allow passage, according to an attendee of the meeting. “We need to get this off the table so we can go forward,” Pelosi told her members, according to someone inside the closed meeting of the caucus.

29 posted on 12/15/2013 4:07:46 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: absentee

30 posted on 12/15/2013 6:04:10 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: absentee

31 posted on 12/15/2013 6:06:23 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: absentee

32 posted on 12/15/2013 6:12:34 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: absentee

I recall very well that in the DC Snipers case
(http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/sniper.html)
a prospective shooter’s profile was put out having the suspect as white & right wngers. Would take some real digging I’d guess to find that.

Also of note (again from memory): before (& at the very end of)the killing spree the moonbat capital of Newton, MA , along curiously with Clinton MA, closed its schools for that final day of threat before they were captured. Seems it was thought the pattern had the killers heading toward New England.


33 posted on 12/16/2013 4:30:19 AM PST by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: absentee

Here is another list that mentally ill left wingers don’t like!

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.

In 1963 a radical left wing communist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.

In 1975 a two wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States in separate acts of mental illness.

In 1981 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan.

In 1984 James Huberty a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.

In 1986 Patrick Sherril a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

In 1990 James Pough a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

In 1991 George Hennard a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 23 people in a Lubys cafeteria.

In 1995 James Daniel Simpson a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

In 1999 Larry Asbrook a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.

In 2003 Douglas Williams a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.

In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech .

In 2011 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. The pot smoking Loughner killed 6 and wounded 18 in another liberal shooting tragedy.

In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes went into a Colorado movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.

On 9/16/2013, another mentally ill liberal, Aaron Alexis, killed 12 innocents at the Navy Yard in Washington DC.

12/14/2013 Karl Pierson entered Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Co. armed with a shotgun with intent to kill one of his teachers. He shot Claire Davis, a senior, @Arapahoe High in the head. Yes, Pierson is/was another mentally ill liberal punk.

We could go on, but you get the point, even if the media and the anti gun pyschos in Congress do not.

Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats having guns or being around them.

No NRA members, No Tea Party members, or No Republican conservatives are/were involved.

Political correctness and leftist policies are to blame in these mass shootings:

If Seung-Hui Cho had been institutionalized for mental illness, 32 people would still be alive at Virginia Tech.

If Jared Loughner had been institutionalized, 6 would be alive in Tucson.

If James Holmes had been institutionalized, 12 lives spared in Aurora, CO.

If Adam Lanza had been institutionalized, 26 would still live in Newtown, CT.

If Nidal Hasan had been properly reported, investigated, and discharged from the Army, 13 would not have died at Ft. Hood.

If we really want to improve safety, keep criminals in jail, terrorists out of the U.S., and people who are mentally deranged in institutions.

Again, It should be illegal for any Democrats to own guns or be around them.


34 posted on 12/16/2013 7:31:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare is a dangerous Lie! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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To: yarddog; Travis McGee; Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Then they started looking for two White Men in a blue van.”

Thanks to the lies and bs of DC’s Islamo Chief of Police, the Moose, he had people searching for a white van with two white guys driving.

There are probably more white vans on the road than any other vehicle. Moose knew that and the killers were caught in spite of his bs, due to an alert truck driver.


35 posted on 12/16/2013 7:35:38 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare is a dangerous Lie! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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To: Grampa Dave

The part that bothers me is the evidence left at a scene deliberately by the shooters that indicated they were 5%ers, a prison religion that preaches black males are gods. The note was left at a scene and LE knew the contents at the time they were looking for the wrong vehicle/shooter. Did anyone die because of the misdirection?

DK


36 posted on 12/16/2013 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight
Not necessarily a reply to your post...it's presently the end of the thread!

But I'm just curious - don't know the answer to this - what was the political affiliation/political leanings of Arthur Bremer, who shot George Wallace?

I'd really like to know!

Thanks!

CA....

37 posted on 12/16/2013 9:49:17 AM PST by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: ETL

The news media also blamed Sarah Palin for the giffords shooting


38 posted on 12/16/2013 10:13:00 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: absentee
Floyd Corkins II
39 posted on 12/16/2013 10:28:15 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Democrat_media
The news media also blamed Sarah Palin for the giffords shooting

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40 posted on 12/16/2013 11:24:42 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Democrat_media
From 2 DAYS before the shooting...

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KOS: My CongressWOMAN [Giffords] voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!
dailyKOS via google cache ^ | BoyBlue

41 posted on 12/16/2013 11:25:26 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Democrat_media
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Sarah Palin's Culpability in Attempted Assassination of Giffords
by BJ Rudell
Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 12:23:13 PM PST
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/8/934315/-Sarah-Palins-Culpability-in-Attempted-Assassination-of-Giffords

42 posted on 12/16/2013 11:25:57 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Grampa Dave

Moose was NOT DC’s police chief. He was chief in suburban Montgomery County, MD.


43 posted on 12/16/2013 11:29:06 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Kozak

Lol. They are very much alike, aren’t they.


44 posted on 12/16/2013 11:32:50 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: EDINVA

“Moose was NOT DC’s police chief. He was chief in suburban Montgomery County, MD.”

You are correct.


45 posted on 12/16/2013 12:15:32 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare is a Trinity of Lies! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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To: Grampa Dave

I just found that list of yours.

EPIC!


46 posted on 12/18/2013 10:18:02 AM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: Grampa Dave

good list


47 posted on 12/18/2013 10:22:07 AM PST by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: Old Sarge

Thanks, and please use that list whenever and wherever you feel it might make a liberal go deeper into insanity.


48 posted on 12/18/2013 3:07:48 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare is a Trinity of Lies! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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To: KC Burke

Thanks


49 posted on 12/18/2013 3:08:17 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare is a Trinity of Lies! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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