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1 posted on 12/15/2013 3:31:09 PM PST by Hojczyk
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Yea and I’ll bet that Subitch does more work in a week than Ferguson does all year.


2 posted on 12/15/2013 3:36:46 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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The Boeing Machinists union members are idiots. The changes in pension and med benefits Boeing wants would apply to NEW HIRES ONLY. Existing employees would retain current benefits. "If" Boeing was planning to remove benefits from current employees, then they might have a beef. But anyone who hires in would know exactly the conditions of employment (including pensions and other perks) that would be available to them.

I fail to see how that is somehow unfair.

3 posted on 12/15/2013 3:37:49 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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The big unions all seem determined to commit economic suicide.

My sense from reading this is that the very liberal Seattle Times is worried that Boeing will move out to saner locations.


4 posted on 12/15/2013 3:38:34 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Unions and governmental regulations killed American manufacturing.

Now, here comes an opportunity to return some manufacturing to America and the Union parasites still want to feed on the carcass what remains of American manufacturing.

Unions = socialists = communists.


5 posted on 12/15/2013 3:39:26 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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Hurry up and move to SC.


9 posted on 12/15/2013 3:44:52 PM PST by struggle
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Interesting story in the WSJ about how difficult it’s gonna be for all the outfits that have to pay the new $15/hr min wage up there.

If the Boeing contract is similar to the UAW auto contract post bk, you could have Tier 2 Boeing employees quitting to work in a coffee shop for more money.


10 posted on 12/15/2013 3:44:59 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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It doesn’t sound to me like Boeing is in a hard place.
They made their offer and the union is the one that
is cutting it’s own throat.


12 posted on 12/15/2013 3:48:05 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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“said Adam Subitch, 27, a painter,,”

Hmmmm....

I wonder what his nickname is?


17 posted on 12/15/2013 3:57:37 PM PST by FAA
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On the other end of the age and experience spectrum is Wilson Ferguson, 58, who’s been working at Boeing almost since Subitch was born. The 26-year company veteran, who is president of the union’s Local A and works as a 737 delivery mechanic at Boeing Field, led a militant rally a month ago calling for a no vote on Boeing’s first 777X contract offer. Union members rejected that contract by 2 to 1.

My brief experience in a union environment many years ago echos this. It was only the older, high seniority guys (many of whom weren't worth what they were getting paid) who were the most radical.

The younger guys were mostly glad to have a good job. The older ones were full of resentment and bitterness.

19 posted on 12/15/2013 4:05:43 PM PST by Ditto
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Coming Or Going? Saban, Boeing Just Want To Be Appreciated

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The state of Alabama this week submitted an incentive package in an attempt to woo the production of Boeing's 777X. The world's largest airplane maker began looking for a new production site when negotiations broke down with the labor union at its current plant in Everett, Wash.

Alabama is among several states looking to show Boeing how much its planes and potentially 8,500 high-paying jobs would be appreciated outside of Washington state.

How much appreciation? The particulars of Alabama's incentive package haven't been disclosed, but lawmakers say it will compete with any offer on the table. Some of the other offers top $1 billion in tax breaks, facilities and infrastructure.

That's a lot of appreciation.

Suddenly, the labor union in Washington is willing to negotiate. Suddenly, the unmoving stand on principles isn't so unmoving after all. Suddenly, the union bosses see the value in what they might be about to lose.

(Airbus is presently building a billion dollar plant in Mobile to make their A-320 passenger planes here.)

24 posted on 12/15/2013 4:22:58 PM PST by blam
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It is a game in the Boeing Machinist’s Union to see just how one can push the envelope of unproductively without getting reprimanded or fired.


27 posted on 12/15/2013 4:45:59 PM PST by rdcbn
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oh go ahead and turn it down, no guts no glory...
28 posted on 12/15/2013 4:46:44 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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Because it worked so well for the Detroilet auto unions.
Seattle, meet Detroit. (and thank a big union for your prosperity)/sarc


34 posted on 12/15/2013 5:14:38 PM PST by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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Because it worked so well for the Detroilet auto unions.
Seattle, meet Detroit. (and thank a big union for your prosperity)/sarc


35 posted on 12/15/2013 5:15:44 PM PST by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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I guess I’m confused why there’s such a big problem here. I thought the “workers” were just going to steal the factories when Boeing left the state and “convert” them into making VCRs, lectric buses, rainbow generators, Unicorn horseshoes and other useful stuff not used for war.


41 posted on 12/15/2013 5:30:31 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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I just read an article in my local utility magazine about the US port with the most tonnage shipped. It’s Houston, TX. That’s Houston, the one 100 miles inland, through a mosquitoe infested swamp, with the only ocean access requiring continual dredging. Why? It’s mostly non-UNION. Bye, bye Seattle.


42 posted on 12/15/2013 5:32:36 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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Most other companies have switched from defined benefit to defined contribution retirement plans. Time for the Boeing Machinists to get with the program, or eventually go extinct.


47 posted on 12/15/2013 6:13:07 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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Let the IAM thugs vote and reject the contract. Then, Boeing announces all 777X production will be moved out of Washington state. “Surplus” union thugs will be laid off and not rehired. They can live on unemployment until they’re forced to find a real job or starve.


49 posted on 12/15/2013 6:25:06 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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The International Association of Machinists went totally “red” when Whippy Wipisinger took over. He men are still around though getting long in the tooth.

Lots of reds infiltrated Boeing back in the 1940’s/early 50’s. Got cleaned out during the Cold War but they are back. Not really a “Party” group as much as a leftist marxist ideology group led by veteran radicals, and stupid at that.

Also, Boeing has other economic reasons for getting out of Washington State. Watch your newspapers in the next few months. If things go bad for them, expect them to close up shop and move south. Read your business sections of the paper, closely.


65 posted on 12/15/2013 11:55:04 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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bkmk


73 posted on 12/16/2013 7:47:00 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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