Skip to comments.A U.S. Coast Guard rescue swimmer describes the crash scene as 'surreal'
Posted on 12/17/2013 8:07:18 AM PST by WhiskeyX
HONOLULU A U.S. Coast Guard rescue swimmer described the crash scene as "surreal." [....] Rescue swimmer Pj ornot first spotted State health director Loretta Fuddy...he touched and shook her but with no response.. protocol meant move on.
(Excerpt) Read more at kitv.com ...
Waiting for an autopsy.
Something tells me she’ll be cremated.
I hate being led into conspiritorial thinking.
Is it true that her maiden name was “Duddy”???
They won’t even wait for her to dry.
No, but her father’s name was Elmer.
I save you the trouble of holding your breath. Results are inconclusive.
Neither KITV exclusive piece mentioned if Fuddy had time to put on lifejacket as the other passengers/crew did.
Was she already unconscious or did she pass out afterwards?
Remember Michael Hastings? They did the autopsy - declared there was nothing wrong - nothing unusual and cremated the body.
AGAINST the family’s wishes and WITHOUT their prior knowledge and consent.
Cremation. When you absolutely positively gotta get rid of evidence.
Can we really believe a Hawaiian autopsy?
I don’t trust their Birth certificate, that she swore was real.
The autopsy will probably say drowned. Not how.
“Results are inconclusive.”
She died from the impact...
...with a baseball bat before boarding the airplane.
Everyone else had time to grab a lifejacket...
So now Loretta is doing shots with Vince Foster & Ron Brown in the sweet hereafter.
“Strangulation”...Probably an octopus.
I’m glad to see I’m not the only demented one here ;-) Actually I was thinking Fuddy was her maiden name, before she met Mr. Duddy...and decided to forgo the hypenation.
It sounds like this was simple misfortune, and that she was pretty much gone before the rescue. Stress alone can kill a person, literally. Besides, what purpose would it serve to envision some conspiracy over the BC? We already know it’s a fake and it’s highly doubtful she is the one who faked it. If the point is that someone may have bribed her, I don’t need much proof to support that theory.
I’ll bet it will say she died of a heart attack due to a combination of stress of the crash and “medications” she was taking.
She was in her life jacket floating with the others, doing fine, when the 70-year-old guy started swimming to shore. He was surprised to find out later that she had died.
They’re going to end up saying she had heart failure after the crash.
“If at first you don’t succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried...”
Thank you for the info.
OK, guess the public will have to accept the ‘heart failure’ verdict.
Just like in the Middle Ages, ‘heart failure’ was the #1 (maybe the only one) cause of death.
So, it now seems that, thanks to a very skilled pilot, after the plane’s motor conked out with a bang, the plane went into a controlled glide, made a relatively smooth sea landing and no passengers were hurt by the impact. The plane then remained afloat long enough for all on board to unbuckle themselves, get on their life-preservers and step out into the sea in a calm and orderly fashion. Fuddy most definitely was still alive at this time, although some, including her deputy director Keith Yamamoto, have reported that Fuddy seemed particularly distressed.
It is possible that Fuddy had an underlying heart problem and the stress of the situation triggered a fatal heart attack. Given her obesity and age, chronic high blood pressure leading to stress induced stroke is also a possibility. However, given her intimate knowledge of aka obama’s identity fraud and her own past perpetration in the fraud and cover up, it is also quite possible that Fuddy died as a result of foul play (i.e., either intended intimidation gone wrong or outright murder).
Perhaps the coroner’s report will shed some light on the matter. Is it due out soon?
“Neither KITV exclusive piece mentioned if Fuddy had time to put on lifejacket as the other passengers/crew did.”
“Was she already unconscious or did she pass out afterwards?”
You need to read the many posts and news stories to get the totality of the events, and some contradictory accounts of those events.
The news reports indicate the pilot did an absolutely superb job of getting the aircraft into a proper failed engine glide and ditching in the sea. This was actually quite a tremendous feat given the aircraft’s fixed landing gear. A fixed landing gear of this type normally will cause the aircraft to snag a wave crest as the pilot attempts to belly the aircraft down into the water gently enough to keep from killing the people aboard the aircraft with the trauma of a severe impact. Doing so can be described as something like driving an automobile into a solid concrete wall at speeds of 40mph to 100mph. You can imagine what that can do to the head, necks, spines, and other body parts of the passengers in the automobiles and an aircraft. This pilot succeeded in gently dropping the aircraft into the water with a minimal impact, a very good feat of airmanship.
One of the passengers has been described as having a cut on his forehead, presumably due to the impact of the aircraft in the water. No doubt everyone suffered some hard knocks against their seat belts upon impact. Nonetheless, it is reported that everyone remained calm after the ditching, donned their life vests, and waited aboard the aircraft, until the aircraft began to sink in the water. The pilot then evacuated the passengers from the aircraft into the sea with their life vests, includding Loretta Fuddy. They described how they calmly walked out of the aircraft and into the sea using the steps on the aircraft. The rough seas and currents then separated the survivors into two groups after entering the sea, despite the efforts of the pilot and others to keep them together. One of the 70 year old men, a former Army Ranger (IIRC) swam ashore about a half-mile to find help for the others. the other seven people struggled to stay together as best they could as aircraft began to circle above to bring about their rescue.
Loretta Fuddy was assisted by her Deputy Director of HDOH, Keith Yamamoto, until she slipped away non-responsive to Yamamoto’s efforts to hold on to her.
“Perhaps the coroners report will shed some light on the matter. Is it due out soon?”
So far, the news seems to be reporting the autopsy report will be available as soon as the autopsy report can be completed.
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I had an uncle who died last year after a “drug overdose”. The interesting thing is he just so happened to have a will that gave nearly everything to his ex-daughter-in-law... who just so happened to be one of the last people who saw him before he died and coincidentally worked at the hospital and just so happened to also be the person who claimed the body and had it cremated within a day of his passing.
Coincidences happen if you work hard enough to make them happen.
Died from the stress of the crash and the medication that was slipped into her Mai Tai before takeoff. :-)
Great summary of what has been reported by various publications! It’s nice to have it put in one post like that. Thanks for putting it out there :-)
I put nothing past this Administration. However, I do think this was a stress induced heart attack. I would like to be proven wrong.
“Besides, what purpose would it serve to envision some conspiracy over the BC? We already know its a fake and its highly doubtful she is the one who faked it.”
This is the mortal weakness of conservative conspiracy mongers: they just aren’t very good at it. Anyone can point out a “strange coincidence” or two, but if you can’t make a logical case connecting them into a plausible narrative that makes sense, then it makes for a crap theory.
As a swimming and lifesaving instructor for many years, I find it hard to imagine having much difficulty holding onto a life-jacketed person, all the more if the victim is unresponsive. An active person, exhibiting various manifestations of distress would seem much more likely to be difficult to handle.
“As a swimming and lifesaving instructor for many years, I find it hard to imagine having much difficulty holding onto a life-jacketed person...”
Well, maybe your experience is what makes it hard for you to imagine? We have no idea that the gentleman in question was an experienced swimmer, or comfortable in the water, life jackets or no. Rough seas and inexperienced swimmers don’t make a good combination.
The Coast Guard rescuer described how the survivors were variously “exhausted” when he swam up to them. Given they had been in the rough seas for about an hour or so, do you suppose the efforts to keep the waves from drowning them despite the support from the life jackets and hypothermia despite the tropical waters had a significant role in weakening the survivors?
HYPOTHERMIA IN HAWAII
This general information is provided to help you recognize the onset of Hypothermia. It is not intended to replace professional medical attention. Even in Hawaiis ocean waters the threat of Hypothermia exists. Hypothermia is the condition in which the body loses heat faster than it is producing it.
Thanks. My imagination seems to have been weak on this.
or Ms. Fuddy isn’t really dead and is sharing mai tais with Soeotoro’s granny and babymama.
In newspaper interviews, Keith Yamamoto, the Deputy Health Director said that he helped Loretta Fuddy put on her life vest and helped her get out of the plane and held her hand in the water until she let go of his hand, presumably when she died.
“Last moments recounted of official killed in crash”
“hypothermia despite the tropical waters”
The water drops off precipitously around the Islands. Get just a short distance off shore, and it’s not all that tropical.
The Kaiwi Channel, which is also known as the Molokai Channel, lies between Molokai and Oahu. Its maximum depth is 2,202 feet (671 m) and it spans 25.8 miles. It has a reputation for being one of the toughest ocean channels in the world because of the usually strong winds, strong currents and large swells. It is also known for being very unpredictable. One moment it may be calm as calm as a lake and then suddenly it turns into a raging roller coaster ride.
Thanks for the update. (Also #22 comment)
SST (Sea Surface Temperature) at the crash site is running about 77-77.1 degrees F. This is cool enough to induce hypothermia after prolonged immersion combined with chilling wind speeds of 14-17mph gusting to 27-30mph.
Hawaii SST Chart
“Died from the stress of the crash and the medication that was slipped into her Mai Tai before takeoff. :-)”
I’ve got a sneaky feeling Hillary is on a cleanup campaign.
That’s good information to know. Thanks.
So Yamamoto takes over the agency now? Did he put a sleeper hold on Fuddy until she went to sleep and drifted away?