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A U.S. Coast Guard rescue swimmer describes the crash scene as 'surreal'
KITV Channel 4 News ^ | Dec 12, 2013 5:32 PM HST | KITV Channel 4 News

Posted on 12/17/2013 8:07:18 AM PST by WhiskeyX

HONOLULU —A U.S. Coast Guard rescue swimmer described the crash scene as "surreal." [....] Rescue swimmer Pj ornot first spotted State health director Loretta Fuddy...he touched and shook her but with no response.. protocol meant move on.

(Excerpt) Read more at kitv.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: crash; fudday; naturalborncitizen; rescuers; survivors
The Cessna was already sunken out of sight when these Coast Guard rescuers came on the rescue scene. There were reportedly some six rescue aircraft on scene at this time, trying to avoid collisions with each other.
1 posted on 12/17/2013 8:07:18 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Waiting for an autopsy.


2 posted on 12/17/2013 8:09:48 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Something tells me she’ll be cremated.


3 posted on 12/17/2013 8:13:29 AM PST by struggle
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Fuddy looks a little overweight, but then I heard about a 70 year old guy and I thought ... maybe the crash did NOT impact fuddy into unconsciousness/death (which was my first thought)

I hate being led into conspiritorial thinking.

4 posted on 12/17/2013 8:14:51 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: struggle

And quickly.


5 posted on 12/17/2013 8:18:57 AM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: WhiskeyX

Is it true that her maiden name was “Duddy”???


6 posted on 12/17/2013 8:19:47 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: beelzepug

They won’t even wait for her to dry.


7 posted on 12/17/2013 8:20:24 AM PST by struggle
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To: Uncle Chip

No, but her father’s name was Elmer.


8 posted on 12/17/2013 8:21:43 AM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Waiting for an autopsy.

I save you the trouble of holding your breath. Results are inconclusive.

9 posted on 12/17/2013 8:22:21 AM PST by Gamecock (There are not just two ways to respond to God but three: irreligion, religion, and the gospel. (TK))
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To: WhiskeyX

Neither KITV exclusive piece mentioned if Fuddy had time to put on lifejacket as the other passengers/crew did.

Was she already unconscious or did she pass out afterwards?


10 posted on 12/17/2013 8:23:47 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: struggle

Remember Michael Hastings? They did the autopsy - declared there was nothing wrong - nothing unusual and cremated the body.

AGAINST the family’s wishes and WITHOUT their prior knowledge and consent.

Cremation. When you absolutely positively gotta get rid of evidence.


11 posted on 12/17/2013 8:27:32 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Can we really believe a Hawaiian autopsy?

I don’t trust their Birth certificate, that she swore was real.
The autopsy will probably say drowned. Not how.


12 posted on 12/17/2013 8:32:27 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: Gamecock

“Results are inconclusive.”

She died from the impact...

...with a baseball bat before boarding the airplane.


13 posted on 12/17/2013 8:33:11 AM PST by moovova
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To: WhiskeyX

Everyone else had time to grab a lifejacket...

So now Loretta is doing shots with Vince Foster & Ron Brown in the sweet hereafter.

How Conveeeenient.


14 posted on 12/17/2013 8:34:41 AM PST by LadyBuck ("Notafinga!")
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To: WhiskeyX

“Strangulation”...Probably an octopus.


15 posted on 12/17/2013 8:35:23 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m glad to see I’m not the only demented one here ;-) Actually I was thinking Fuddy was her maiden name, before she met Mr. Duddy...and decided to forgo the hypenation.

It sounds like this was simple misfortune, and that she was pretty much gone before the rescue. Stress alone can kill a person, literally. Besides, what purpose would it serve to envision some conspiracy over the BC? We already know it’s a fake and it’s highly doubtful she is the one who faked it. If the point is that someone may have bribed her, I don’t need much proof to support that theory.


16 posted on 12/17/2013 8:38:38 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Venturer

I’ll bet it will say she died of a heart attack due to a combination of stress of the crash and “medications” she was taking.


17 posted on 12/17/2013 8:40:48 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Sir Napsalot

She was in her life jacket floating with the others, doing fine, when the 70-year-old guy started swimming to shore. He was surprised to find out later that she had died.

They’re going to end up saying she had heart failure after the crash.


18 posted on 12/17/2013 8:41:32 AM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“If at first you don’t succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried...”


19 posted on 12/17/2013 8:46:16 AM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: butterdezillion

Thank you for the info.

OK, guess the public will have to accept the ‘heart failure’ verdict.

Just like in the Middle Ages, ‘heart failure’ was the #1 (maybe the only one) cause of death.


20 posted on 12/17/2013 8:47:48 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: WhiskeyX

So, it now seems that, thanks to a very skilled pilot, after the plane’s motor conked out with a bang, the plane went into a controlled glide, made a relatively smooth sea landing and no passengers were hurt by the impact. The plane then remained afloat long enough for all on board to unbuckle themselves, get on their life-preservers and step out into the sea in a calm and orderly fashion. Fuddy most definitely was still alive at this time, although some, including her deputy director Keith Yamamoto, have reported that Fuddy seemed particularly distressed.

It is possible that Fuddy had an underlying heart problem and the stress of the situation triggered a fatal heart attack. Given her obesity and age, chronic high blood pressure leading to stress induced stroke is also a possibility. However, given her intimate knowledge of aka obama’s identity fraud and her own past perpetration in the fraud and cover up, it is also quite possible that Fuddy died as a result of foul play (i.e., either intended intimidation gone wrong or outright murder).

Perhaps the coroner’s report will shed some light on the matter. Is it due out soon?


21 posted on 12/17/2013 8:52:11 AM PST by elengr (Benghazi betrayal: rescue denied - our guys DIED - treason's the reason obama s/b tried then fried!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“Neither KITV exclusive piece mentioned if Fuddy had time to put on lifejacket as the other passengers/crew did.”

“Was she already unconscious or did she pass out afterwards?”

You need to read the many posts and news stories to get the totality of the events, and some contradictory accounts of those events.

The news reports indicate the pilot did an absolutely superb job of getting the aircraft into a proper failed engine glide and ditching in the sea. This was actually quite a tremendous feat given the aircraft’s fixed landing gear. A fixed landing gear of this type normally will cause the aircraft to snag a wave crest as the pilot attempts to belly the aircraft down into the water gently enough to keep from killing the people aboard the aircraft with the trauma of a severe impact. Doing so can be described as something like driving an automobile into a solid concrete wall at speeds of 40mph to 100mph. You can imagine what that can do to the head, necks, spines, and other body parts of the passengers in the automobiles and an aircraft. This pilot succeeded in gently dropping the aircraft into the water with a minimal impact, a very good feat of airmanship.

One of the passengers has been described as having a cut on his forehead, presumably due to the impact of the aircraft in the water. No doubt everyone suffered some hard knocks against their seat belts upon impact. Nonetheless, it is reported that everyone remained calm after the ditching, donned their life vests, and waited aboard the aircraft, until the aircraft began to sink in the water. The pilot then evacuated the passengers from the aircraft into the sea with their life vests, includding Loretta Fuddy. They described how they calmly walked out of the aircraft and into the sea using the steps on the aircraft. The rough seas and currents then separated the survivors into two groups after entering the sea, despite the efforts of the pilot and others to keep them together. One of the 70 year old men, a former Army Ranger (IIRC) swam ashore about a half-mile to find help for the others. the other seven people struggled to stay together as best they could as aircraft began to circle above to bring about their rescue.

Loretta Fuddy was assisted by her Deputy Director of HDOH, Keith Yamamoto, until she slipped away non-responsive to Yamamoto’s efforts to hold on to her.


22 posted on 12/17/2013 8:54:24 AM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: elengr

“Perhaps the coroner’s report will shed some light on the matter. Is it due out soon?”

So far, the news seems to be reporting the autopsy report will be available as soon as the autopsy report can be completed.


23 posted on 12/17/2013 8:56:27 AM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX
Ron Brown's body lies a' mouldering in the grave...


24 posted on 12/17/2013 9:00:21 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: WhiskeyX

“Before the crash the air carrier had three in its fleet, using one as a backup.
Makani Kai took over flying to Kalaupapa nearly three years ago.

The aircraft had a valid operating certificate and the company said it had NEVER HAD AN ACCIDENT in its more than 20-year history.

“We’ve been providing air charter, air tours, aircraft management and aircraft maintenance
since 1988. We have flown over
HALF A MILLION people in comfort and safety throughout the islands. We are the only
inter-island carrier accredited by the International
Standard for Business Aircraft Operations (IS-BAO), a code of best practices designed
to help flight departments worldwide
achieve the highest level of safety and professionalism.

Call (808) 834-1111 for information and or assistance with your reservations.”

https://www.makanikaiair.com/";


25 posted on 12/17/2013 9:02:06 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Responsibility2nd

I had an uncle who died last year after a “drug overdose”. The interesting thing is he just so happened to have a will that gave nearly everything to his ex-daughter-in-law... who just so happened to be one of the last people who saw him before he died and coincidentally worked at the hospital and just so happened to also be the person who claimed the body and had it cremated within a day of his passing.

Coincidences happen if you work hard enough to make them happen.


26 posted on 12/17/2013 9:02:43 AM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Gamecock

“Natural causes.”


27 posted on 12/17/2013 9:05:17 AM PST by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: IMR 4350

Died from the stress of the crash and the medication that was slipped into her Mai Tai before takeoff. :-)


28 posted on 12/17/2013 9:11:35 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: WhiskeyX

Great summary of what has been reported by various publications! It’s nice to have it put in one post like that. Thanks for putting it out there :-)


29 posted on 12/17/2013 9:15:35 AM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: elengr

I put nothing past this Administration. However, I do think this was a stress induced heart attack. I would like to be proven wrong.


30 posted on 12/17/2013 9:28:28 AM PST by cpdiii
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To: bigbob

“Besides, what purpose would it serve to envision some conspiracy over the BC? We already know it’s a fake and it’s highly doubtful she is the one who faked it.”

This is the mortal weakness of conservative conspiracy mongers: they just aren’t very good at it. Anyone can point out a “strange coincidence” or two, but if you can’t make a logical case connecting them into a plausible narrative that makes sense, then it makes for a crap theory.


31 posted on 12/17/2013 9:40:39 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: WhiskeyX
Elengr's post #21 says they all had life jackets on. It seems somewhat less-than-credible for a man in swim trunks and a T-shirt to claim he was unsuccessful in his "efforts to hold onto her."

As a swimming and lifesaving instructor for many years, I find it hard to imagine having much difficulty holding onto a life-jacketed person, all the more if the victim is unresponsive. An active person, exhibiting various manifestations of distress would seem much more likely to be difficult to handle.

HF

32 posted on 12/17/2013 9:45:33 AM PST by holden
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To: holden

“As a swimming and lifesaving instructor for many years, I find it hard to imagine having much difficulty holding onto a life-jacketed person...”

Well, maybe your experience is what makes it hard for you to imagine? We have no idea that the gentleman in question was an experienced swimmer, or comfortable in the water, life jackets or no. Rough seas and inexperienced swimmers don’t make a good combination.


33 posted on 12/17/2013 9:52:47 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: holden

The Coast Guard rescuer described how the survivors were variously “exhausted” when he swam up to them. Given they had been in the rough seas for about an hour or so, do you suppose the efforts to keep the waves from drowning them despite the support from the life jackets and hypothermia despite the tropical waters had a significant role in weakening the survivors?

HYPOTHERMIA IN HAWAII
This general information is provided to help you recognize the onset of Hypothermia. It is not intended to replace professional medical attention. Even in Hawaii’s ocean waters the threat of Hypothermia exists. Hypothermia is the condition in which the body loses heat faster than it is producing it.

http://dlnr.hawaii.gov/dobor/boating-in-hawaii/hypothermia-in-hawaii/


34 posted on 12/17/2013 10:01:52 AM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX; Boogieman

Thanks. My imagination seems to have been weak on this.
HF


35 posted on 12/17/2013 10:10:34 AM PST by holden
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To: LadyBuck

or Ms. Fuddy isn’t really dead and is sharing mai tais with Soeotoro’s granny and babymama.


36 posted on 12/17/2013 10:38:35 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sir Napsalot

In newspaper interviews, Keith Yamamoto, the Deputy Health Director said that he helped Loretta Fuddy put on her life vest and helped her get out of the plane and held her hand in the water until she let go of his hand, presumably when she died.

“Last moments recounted of official killed in crash”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story/small-plane-crashes-water-off-molokai-hawaii-21187906?ref=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F


37 posted on 12/17/2013 11:24:26 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: WhiskeyX

“hypothermia despite the tropical waters”

The water drops off precipitously around the Islands. Get just a short distance off shore, and it’s not all that tropical.


38 posted on 12/17/2013 11:26:32 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: holden

Kaiwi Channel

The Kaiwi Channel, which is also known as the Molokai Channel, lies between Molokai and Oahu. Its maximum depth is 2,202 feet (671 m) and it spans 25.8 miles. It has a reputation for being one of the toughest ocean channels in the world because of the usually strong winds, strong currents and large swells. It is also known for being very unpredictable. One moment it may be calm as calm as a lake and then suddenly it turns into a raging roller coaster ride.
http://www.to-hawaii.com/oceanchannels.php


39 posted on 12/17/2013 11:34:35 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus; WhiskeyX

Thanks for the update. (Also #22 comment)


40 posted on 12/17/2013 11:58:23 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Nero Germanicus

SST (Sea Surface Temperature) at the crash site is running about 77-77.1 degrees F. This is cool enough to induce hypothermia after prolonged immersion combined with chilling wind speeds of 14-17mph gusting to 27-30mph.

Hawaii SST Chart
http://www.fishtrack.com/fishing-charts/hawaii_58643


41 posted on 12/17/2013 12:14:14 PM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Died from the stress of the crash and the medication that was slipped into her Mai Tai before takeoff. :-)”

Yep.

I’ve got a sneaky feeling Hillary is on a cleanup campaign.


42 posted on 12/17/2013 12:38:10 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: WhiskeyX

That’s good information to know. Thanks.


43 posted on 12/17/2013 12:51:23 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: WhiskeyX

So Yamamoto takes over the agency now? Did he put a sleeper hold on Fuddy until she went to sleep and drifted away?


44 posted on 12/17/2013 1:33:31 PM PST by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Waiting for an autopsy and toxicology report.
Of course a toxicology report would be included in a autopsy, unless ? opps, they forgot to do that before they cremated her.
45 posted on 12/17/2013 3:36:39 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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