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As Mandela gets hero’s farewell, young Afrikaners struggle with a brutal past
The New York Daily Times ^ | TUESDAY, DECEMBER 3, 2013 | Denis Hamill

Posted on 12/21/2013 4:52:21 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

PRETORIA, South Africa — The relentless pilgrimage of mourners stretched north for miles toward Pretoria on Thursday. They came to bid farewell to Nelson Mandela, who lay in state in the Union Buildings after giving his beloved South Africa freedom, unity and democracy. I sped south on open road to the hilltop Voortrekker Monument, the 130-foot-high granite shrine to the Afrikaners who pioneered the country in rickety covered wagons and eventually became the political rulers of the country under apartheid.

The 130-foor-high Voortrekker Monument in Pretoria is a memorial to the Afrikaners who pioneered South Africa and fought brutal wars against the nation's tribes. As the nations bids farewell to Nelson Mandela, whose body lies in state in the same city, young Afrikaners struggle to reconcile what they have learned from Mandela with their brutal past.

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1 posted on 12/21/2013 4:52:21 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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2 posted on 12/21/2013 4:57:43 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: MinorityRepublican
These were the early pioneers who fought bloody battles against the black native tribes like the Zulu.

Kind of misleading unless you point out that the Zulus killed some large multiple of the number of blacks killed by the Boers.

3 posted on 12/21/2013 5:00:52 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: MinorityRepublican

That monument will disappear soon just like the Stars and Bars and the song “Dixie”.


4 posted on 12/21/2013 5:04:24 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: MinorityRepublican
"young Afrikaners struggle with a brutal past"

They'll forget the brutal past soon enough when they're struggling with their brutal future.

5 posted on 12/21/2013 5:12:12 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Charlize Theron speaks Afrikaans
6 posted on 12/21/2013 5:28:53 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: MinorityRepublican; All

The policy of “apartheid” was instituted after WWII while ours in the US called Jim Crowe particularly in the south began after reconstruction when the democrats took control after the Civil War. Which eventually included required segregated toilet facilities and back of the bus BS.

What I’m not clear about is did “apartheid” go that far ? Demanding separate facilities for the races ? Requiring blacks to cross a street for whites. Use of segreated toilets, eating and the reat of it.

Anybody know ? Because if they didn’t it becomes a very important distinction between what South Africa was doing and what we actually did.


7 posted on 12/21/2013 5:46:00 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Mandela on Castro and the Cuban revolution:
“From its earliest days, the Cuban Revolution has also been a source of
inspiration to all freedom-loving people. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of the vicious imperialist-orquestrated campaign to destroy the impressive gain made in the Cuban Revolution. … Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/7-nelson-mandela-quotes-you-probably-wont-see-in-the-us-medi

8 posted on 12/21/2013 5:52:39 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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In some ways apartheid went much farther than Jim Crow.

The entire country was chopped up into black and white areas. Shockingly, the whites in control, despite being a minority, decided they needed 87% of the land. In theory, blacks couldn’t live outside the black homelands, though of course white SA society was utterly dependent on black labor so this provision was never enforced much.


9 posted on 12/21/2013 5:57:43 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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How about the Boers who were massacred in huge numbers by the British in the 1902 uprising? Afrikaners had far worse warring against them than Zulus, who themselves would make separate peace with whites whenever it was in their interests.

“Breaker Morant” was not about whites against blacks. Anyone see one single nonwhite in that film?


10 posted on 12/21/2013 6:10:43 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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Wasn’t there a black guy sweeping the floor in the court room at the beginning of the movie? Or maybe it was near the end after the Australian lawyer had made his summation and the court room was empty?


11 posted on 12/21/2013 6:18:17 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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Lots of Boers died in the SA War, but they weren’t “massacred” by the British, which implies lining people up and killing them.

The vast majority died in camps the Brits set up to try to bring the guerrilla warfare under control. Most of them were women and children who died of disease and to some extent malnutrition.

You can have an excellent discussion about the extent to which the British government is responsible for those deaths thru negligence and maladministration, but AFAIK there is zero evidence that there was ever an official policy of planned killing.


12 posted on 12/21/2013 6:18:25 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: mosesdapoet
What I’m not clear about is did “apartheid” go that far ? Demanding separate facilities for the races ? Requiring blacks to cross a street for whites. Use of segreated toilets, eating and the reat of it.

Yes.
I saw the remains of it first hand in '97.
It looked weird when you found a sign that hadn't yet been painted over.
The Older generation where still behaving like it was still in force and had to be encouraged to stay on the sidewalk and look you in the face when they spoke to you.

13 posted on 12/21/2013 6:18:57 PM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. This is not the post you are looking for ....move along now....)
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She sounds lovely speaking her native language, but people should be warned it’s in the context of a Piers Morgan interview, with all the grating of his voice interspersed that entails.


14 posted on 12/21/2013 6:37:27 PM PST by OldNewYork (I have voted against free ice cream. And I will do it again.)
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Hey where’s morgan freeman?


15 posted on 12/21/2013 6:41:12 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: elcid1970

The Boer War wasn’t a 1902 uprising. It was a full-blown war war between the two Boer republics and the the Empire.

It started in 1899, with a more or less conventional war phase over by June of 1900.

Thereafter it went to guerrilla warfare, which led the British to eventually resort to internment (concentration) camps for Boer civilians to prevent them from supporting the fighters.


16 posted on 12/21/2013 6:44:53 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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“It’s a new kind of war, George. A new war for a new century. I suppose this is the first time the enemy hasn’t been in uniform. They’re farmers. They come from small towns, and they shoot at from behind walls and from farmhouses. Some of them are women, some of them are children, and some of them... are missionaries, George.” - Breaker Morant


17 posted on 12/21/2013 6:51:08 PM PST by dfwgator
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Breaker Morant was mistaken. Such wars had taken place many times before. Many of them colonial wars against “natives” who had no uniforms.


18 posted on 12/21/2013 7:08:52 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: MinorityRepublican

This article is so bogus!

“Young Afrikaners struggle with a brutal PAST?

No, it is a brutal present that they should be concerned with.:

http://ajkraad.wix.com/genocide-museum


19 posted on 12/22/2013 1:13:22 AM PST by Uncle Lonny
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To: Sherman Logan

What about the British summarily executing captured Boers simply because they lacked the means to evacuate prisoners to the camps?

I’ve read original magazines from 1902; there was tremendous outrage in the U.S. over British atrocities in South Africa AND American ones against Moros in the Philippines (e.g., pumping water down captured Moros’ throats). Anti-imperialism in the West had little to do with communism at the time. It’s a fascinating period that is hardly discussed anymore.

That said, post-Mandela SA is going to quickly become an even more dangerous place for whites in general but for Afrikaans-speaking Boers in particular. Their past as perceived by the now empowered black majority will be used as a weapon against them. The old Xhosa vs Zulu rivalry will only fuel the general climate of violence.

Wonder what Jan Christiaan Smuts would say about the present reality in SA? BTW, when I was in grade school, Smuts was depicted as a Washington-like figure, interviewed by a young Winston Churchill & presenting his vision for SA.


20 posted on 12/22/2013 3:58:03 AM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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