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To: yarddog

There are lots of arguments about the M-1 Carbine and the MP-43.

Certainly the M-1 carbine had been captured by the Germans in 1942 in its self loading configuration.

Certainly the M-1 Carbine was issued in 1944 in a fully automatic version with a 30 round magazine.

Oddly, both had the same cartridge length: 33 mm. Heavier rounds with the same velocity have longer range. US Carbine round gave up both weight and velocity to the German 7.92x33 round.

The German M43 round (125 grain bullet, 7.92x33K) was bottlenecked and gave slightly higher velocity ~2,250 fps per Wikipedia. The 7.62x33 US round was lighter and slower velocity (110 grain, 1,990 fps).

By contrast the Soviet M-43 round (7.62x39) was slightly lighter, and faster (123 grain bullet 2,421 fps).

I have on my wish list a broom handle mauser that will fire the M-1 Carbine round. The original broom handle Mauser couldn’t take the recoil, but springs are better these days, and I hope some designer would take a shot at it.

(The original .30 Mauser had an 86 grain bullet and 1450 fps round) The broom handle Mauser was designed for roughly the same thing as the M-1 Carbine: An officer, cavalry, or artillery crew auxiliary weapon that wouldn’t get in the way, but could be used in emergencies at short range.


130 posted on 12/23/2013 11:13:08 AM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker

The write-up for the Medal of Honor awarded to George Mabry describes him using an M-1 carbine to take a series of German defensive works in the Hurtgen Forest. So when fired masterfully as by that South Carolina hunter it could be quite a weapon.


138 posted on 12/23/2013 11:31:18 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47)
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