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Overstock CEO: 'I don't own bitcoin, but I'm a fan'
CNN Money ^ | 24 December, 0213 | Nin-Hai Tseng

Posted on 12/28/2013 8:47:36 PM PST by Errant

FORTUNE -- Overstock.com, which sells everything from bedding to dinnerware online, recently announced it would accept bitcoin as early as June, making it the first U.S. retailer to use the virtual currency. Still in its experimental phase, bitcoin has fluctuated from as low as $13 in January to more than $1,200 in December.

And while it has had a wild ride, Overstock's (OSTK) plans to accept bitcoin as payment shouldn't be read as another bet that the currency will soar higher, says CEO Patrick Byrne.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.fortune.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bitcoin; economy; gold; overstock
Patrick Byrne thinks bitcoin could be a helpful addition to the payment system and his company plans to accept the currency, but even he has mixed feelings.
1 posted on 12/28/2013 8:47:37 PM PST by Errant
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2 posted on 12/28/2013 8:49:35 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

The DEA’s snitch had gotten out of Cartel favor by losing a load —it appeared he might lose info access. But if their snitch were able to steal a rival incoming load, then he’d be straight again with the Cartelistas.

So the DEA and Fibbers spilled the beans on the impending load, and at the rip Terry was killed.

If instead of a US cop dying, say, 20 poor Mexicans or mere US citizens were killed do you REALLY think we’ ever had heard anyof this...?


3 posted on 12/28/2013 9:01:44 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Wrong thread, omg how did I do THAT..??


4 posted on 12/28/2013 9:03:12 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

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5 posted on 12/28/2013 9:06:23 PM PST by Errant
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One of the better comments at the link:

Here’s how I usually explain Bitcoin to skeptics:

The reason it’s so hard for most people to understand Bitcoin is that most people don’t really understand money. Money isn’t wealth. It’s an accounting system used to facilitate the exchange of wealth. (The paradox of money is that while everyone wants it, no one actually wants it - they want the stuff they can buy with it!) Many people are put off by the fact that bitcoins are “just data.” But that’s what ALL money is, information! More precisely, money is a means for credibly conveying information about value given but not yet received (or at least not yet received in a form in which it can directly satisfy a person’s wants or needs).

To put it yet another way, money is a ledger. With fiat currencies like the dollar, that ledger is centralized. And that gives the central authority responsible for maintaining that ledger tremendous power, power that history has proven will inevitably be abused. With Bitcoin, the ledger is decentralized. And that means that no one individual or entity has the power to arbitrarily create new units (thereby causing inflation), freeze (or seize) your account, or block a particular payment from being processed. We’ve had decentralized money before. After all, no one can simply print new gold into existence. And the “ledger” of gold is distributed because the physical gold itself (the “accounting entries” in the metaphor) is distributed. But with gold, that decentralization comes at a heavy price (literally). The physical nature of gold makes it hugely inefficient from a transactional perspective.

Enter Bitcoin.

It is the first currency in the world that is both decentralized AND digital. It is more reliably scarce than gold, more transactionally efficient than “modern” digital banking, and enables greater financial privacy than cash. It could certainly still fail for one reason or another, but if it doesn’t, it has the potential to be very, VERY disruptive.


6 posted on 12/28/2013 9:08:12 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

I blew it, sorry.

Great post by u, however.


7 posted on 12/28/2013 9:19:16 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Errant

If you have a ping list, can I join please?


8 posted on 12/28/2013 9:21:06 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: gaijin

No problemo, I’ve done that from time to time myself.


9 posted on 12/28/2013 9:24:21 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

Nevermind..I see I am on it from a previous post, not sure why I don’t “see” it however..might be my browser filters..
by the by..What are your thoughts on Name Coin?


10 posted on 12/28/2013 9:24:31 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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It would be my third choice based on what I know about it now (after Bitcoin and Litecoin). There are a lot of others starting up. Some with important results as an outcome from all of the processing power used, like finding prime numbers and etc. Name coin is like that in that provides for virtual domains.

It will be really interesting to see all that do proliferated and everyone will have their favorites, IMO. That is until O shuts down the internet with his new kill switch. I'd say he has an itchy finger and the odds not in our favor.

11 posted on 12/28/2013 9:35:17 PM PST by Errant
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That was helpful, as I'm one of the ones who still cannot seem to get my arms around this thing as others apparently have been able to.

I think this is one of those things where I have to actually participate in it to get a handle on what it's all about. Is a smartphone or iphone necessary to buy, sell, or store bitcoin?

12 posted on 12/28/2013 9:49:55 PM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: Errant

13 posted on 12/28/2013 9:54:52 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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Is a smartphone or iphone necessary to buy, sell, or store bitcoin?

Not at all. Any device that can access the web through a browser can be used to do all three. There are videos on Youtube that show how to use them. Just search for what you are looking for and your device (i.e., PC, Mac, smart phone, ipad, etc.).

14 posted on 12/28/2013 10:00:07 PM PST by Errant
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Not entirely right. Bitcoins are still valued in dollars. As I understand it, there are only 11 million available and none will be added. The guy who devised this scheme owns one million of these so don't you think he has a vested interest in keeping them scarce? Yet the only way he can spend it is if as you say, more entities accept it and he has the freedom to spend them. If the internet disappears, so goes the bitcoins. It is, as is the printed dollar, fiat currency. Gold, a hard currency, is still valued in dollars. Now we now why in part the Constitution gave Congress the role to “coin” money. The un”federal” reserve usurped that role with printed dollars. Early dollars used to say redeemable in “gold on demand,” or in silver. No longer, paper is paper and the printed dollars say “lawful currency for all debts public and private,” even to purchase gold. Gold and silver, as are bitcoins, are only valued due to their scarcity, in other words they cannot be manipulated, duplicated or printed as can paper currency.

A man on an island with no inhabitants, holding a million dollars—is he rich? No, as he cannot buy anything with that money he holds. The “Fed’ is just a scheme for transferring wealth, politically and monetarily, to a selected few as the rest hold nothing but dollars which continually loose value. Inflation (defined as an increase in the money supply) has wrecked havoc on fiat—printed—money and will soon take its toll on the economy and the US in Toto. To think we can ever repay the federal debt, 17 trillion and counting, is a joke. We were never meant to be able to. The transfer of wealth continues, and gold will continue to increase in value.

15 posted on 12/28/2013 10:25:05 PM PST by Fungi
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You don't think the government would confiscate gold or outlaw ownership like it did in the '30s? Crypto offers some advantages there, since it can be virtual. That said, I whole heartily agree that it's smart to diversity ones assets and PMs should be at the top of the list.

Even more important, have the necessities of life accumulated before any of the above (e.g., food, water, clothing, shelter, protection, and etc).

16 posted on 12/28/2013 10:36:35 PM PST by Errant
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With the flip of a switch, the internet is down, no bitcoins, no internet, no Amazon. How much harder to check every household for gold or silver? We agree for the most part, but to what degree is debatable. p>
17 posted on 12/28/2013 10:49:29 PM PST by Fungi
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Honest debate is a good thing in my book. It helps to figure things out.

No internet, no gasoline, no groceries, no doctor, no utilities (eventually), no money, no traveling, no news, no communication (phones, TV, email, twitter, texting), no pharmacy, and etc.

It will be almost the equivalent of an EMP attack and result in the death of some and hardship for millions. O could then have his private army or UN start from each coast and work their way toward the center of the country putting everything and everyone under his complete control.

Without news or internet, you'd never know when your city was next on the list. You wouldn't even know whose forces were being used until too late (e.g., Chinese, Russians, UN, HLD). The little unorganized resistance would be met with complete overwhelming and brutal annihilation. Any information received via ham stations would be filled with disinformation.

We're already in the trap, we just haven't realized it yet.

18 posted on 12/28/2013 11:10:29 PM PST by Errant
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