Posted on 01/01/2014 4:30:20 AM PST by Kaslin
When you go back to the 1700s and 1800s and examine the ‘great minds’ of the era....you come to this odd group of items in the education process.
Most of these great minds...had private tutors for the ages of six to twelve, and were fully educated by today’s standards by age thirteen.
Greek philosophy and Roman history figures into their work demanded by the tutors.
Engineering skills were demanded in most all university programs of the 1700s and 1800s. Go look at degree requirements and class offerings. Most young men took a class related to engineering talents of the day.
Somewhere in the early 1900s....we set up Wal-mart-like schools and simply ran kids through some simplified process to say by age eighteen they were ‘certified’. A kid from 1876....probably was smarter, than kid today...which is sad to admit in public, if you take away all the IT-stuff.
But the best way to get it is not by division or multiplication - but by counting out on your fingers. It's a conceptual question not a math one.
But wholly inappropriate for fourth graders.
-— Somewhere in the early 1900s....we set up Wal-mart-like schools and simply ran kids through some simplified process to say by age eighteen they were ‘certified’.-—
Great diagnosis. You’re referring to Carnegie Units, which you’ve probably heard of. Carnegie’s foundation decided that learning should be measured by time-in-seat.
The idea is so insane that it hardly requires refutation, yet the idea is universally accepted. The most astonishing aspect of this is that private schools adopted the same model.
Imagine how motivated students would be to actually learn something if they could MOVE ON once they mastered a subject.
Each student could move through subjects at their own pace. The mechanism would be computerized, modularized, interactive lessons. I took a class like this in college and loved it. There was no test-stress, but you couldn’t move on until you passed. I learned the subject matter better than in any other class.
In such a system, teachers would act as tutors and advisors.
So how did our current system come about? Schooling is about societal control, not education. It has been since its inception. Schools are the single most nefarious institution in modern society.
Check out John Taylor Gatto’s “Underground History of American History.” It’s eye-opening, to say the least.
Make that, “Underground History of American Education.” He has made it available for everyone to read on-line for free. I think he’s a saint.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm
But wholly inappropriate for fourth graders.
Or even college graduates, but thanks for the answer and the way to get there, kind of fun using my fingers for something beyond typing.
Elliot Galloway (may his memory be green) believed in exactly that style of schooling. He was the principal of a small private Episcopal elementary school in Atlanta. He went on to found his own, eponymous school. Once he retired it morphed into a conventional K-6 prep school.
He could educate ANYBODY. He took on a lot of the kids that failed out of the conventional system and got them interested in learning. He was a Navy Commander in WWII and bold as a lion, but very gentle. His being disappointed in you was worse than anybody yelling at you - I still feel bad for having disappointed him on more than one (lots more than one) occasion.
But that's what REAL education requires - a committed and talented teacher. They are in short supply.
My husband is a Ga Tech graduate and one of those lucky souls who can "see" numbers and their relationships in his head - there's a real instinctive component to his math. I can only watch in awe, I have no idea how he gets from the problem to the answer.
So I just let him handle numbers, I do the language, history, and writing. Good division of labor, between us we make one well educated person.
Another is 10 if the first student counted is -80 or -10 if the first student is counted as 260 (using only simple arithmetic sequences not geometric series or anything fancy). Bright students may realize the possibility of multiple answers and become confused..
This is some "mathematics education specialist's" (read: not good enough for professional work) idea of a good question but fourth-graders are better off being taught how to add, subtract, multiply and divide!
I tutor many kids nowadays that have always used calculators and so don't really understand what the button is doing other than providing a "reliable" answer.
Teach the basics, greater concepts will teach themselves.
As Tom Lehrer famously said, “what matters is not that you get the right answer . . . “. Any kid thinking on that level in a fourth-grade public school classroom needs to be OUT of there before he is completely crushed.
I think allowing calculators in the lower grades was a dreadful mistake.
Math is the native language of the universe. When you understand the problem the math writes itself.
Thanks! The author of the book I linked followed the same approach, and became the NY State Teacher of the Year. Filing away for future reference ;-)
Can I email you when my 1st grade granddaughter needs help with her math??
Amen!
Often, usually even, there are students that have a greater intellectual capacity than the teacher (not the cream of the crop, you know) and these students are often disliked by the teacher. This animosity harms the student.
I don't work at that level but I have noticed that it is usually a matter of just deciphering the curriculum into something intelligible for the parent.
Force the school to provide adequate instruction to ensure that your child is successful.
The best thing that you can do is to drill your granddaughter on the basics (flash cards still work and the internet has games Cool Math Games) that help.
Thank you so much! I’ll let my daughter know. The old fashioned three R’s & cursive I can handle. Common core is beyond me.
Thanks again & hope your New Year is a good one.
fourth-graders are better off being taught how to add, subtract, multiply and divide!
The simplicity of the statement just screams TRUE.
Big cities are the worst in educating children. Memphis, TN has the worst schools in the state grads that are A/B Math students, have to take REMEDIAL math to do a Jr. College Electronic and Computer course. Hubby taught this for 20 years! First the remedial math, then his electronic and computer classes.
TN Student Speaks Out About Common Core
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprP5TCZBRI
Exposing Common Core
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW2Xj6JrERc
What is the Problem with Common Core?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJIrD1iJLjs
Stopping Common Core National Standards and Tests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g384XeKPnqY
This one is what our own state purposes to install.
TN Common Core
http://www.tncore.org/
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