Posted on 01/01/2014 8:36:15 AM PST by LD Jackson
You would pretty much poison yourself.
There's a lot of nicotine in just one leaf.
Just handling the leaves at harvest time will give you a real buzz.
You got it. Anymore I have had it with the whole demonization of what is normal and accepted and replacing it with what is perverse and unacceptable.
Now I am not the sort of person to be "difficult for the sake of being difficult" (blaring example would be vegetarians), but I am about at the point to just give the finger to the whole of our corrupted lunatic culture and Go Galt.
The last time I went to doctor for a checkup, I made sure non-smoker was put on my medical chart.
The gestapo people in city, state, and federal govn. are so intent on running your life, they don't want you to have something in your hand that looks like a cigarette. A pox on them for wanting to control my entire life down to what I put in my mouth.
Those of you who don't smoke, will one of these days, not be allowed to buy certain foods to put in your mouth and other food will be taxed. There will be a tax on butter, veggie oil, power drinks, anything with sugar in it, anything with salt in it, every dessert, whatever they can tax saying it isn't good for you.
Eventually, you will be personally taxed if you weigh over a certain amount for your height. That is already on your medical chart that is in a computer.
That last time I went to the doctor, I asked him if the government had access to our records with him. He said they are all on computer and the government can get them any time they want. So, they will know if you are over weight and it's my opinion, you will be taxed due to those extra pounds.
You don't care if we are taxed for e-cigs, but you will not escape taxation in the future for what you put in your mouth. However, if you engage in homosexual sex, it is not your fault you get AIDS and that treatment will be covered by insurance as long as you need it before you die. /s/s
Nazi governments are quite fond of forbidding, regulating, and taxing the behavior of others. It makes them feel good.
Control-freaks gotta control.
You made the following statement in your piece:
Given what we know about secondhand smoke from real cigarettes…these vapors are, in fact, far less harmful than secondhand smoke.
Exactly how harmful is secondhand smoke?
A paper by James E Enstrom (UCLA School of Public Health) and Geoffrey C Kabat (Albert Einstein College of Medicine) published in 2003 tracked over 118,000 Californians from 1959 to 1998. This study had the following conclusion:
The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.
The study, Environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality in a prospective study of Californians, 1960-98, was originally published in the British Medical Journal.
Then we have a German study, Mortality from Cancer and Other Causes among Airline Cabin Attendants in Germany, 1960–1997, originally published in the American Journal of Epidemiology in 2002, that concluded:
Airline cabin attendants are exposed to several potential occupational hazards, including cosmic radiation. Little is known about the mortality pattern and cancer risk of these persons. The authors conducted a historical cohort study among cabin attendants who had been employed by two German airlines in 1953 or later. Mortality follow-up was completed through December 31, 1997. The authors computed standardized mortality ratios (SMRs) for specific causes of death using German population rates. The effect of duration of employment was evaluated with Poisson regression. The cohort included 16,014 women and 4,537 men (approximately 250,000 person-years of follow-up). Among women, the total number of deaths (n = 141) was lower than expected (SMR = 0.79, 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.67, 0.94). The SMR for all cancers (n = 44) was 0.79 (95% CI: 0.54, 1.17), and the SMR for breast cancer (n = 19) was 1.28 (95% CI: 0.72, 2.20). The SMR did not increase with duration of employment. Among men, 170 deaths were observed (SMR = 1.10, 95% CI: 0.94, 1.28). The SMR for all cancers (n = 21) was 0.71 (95% CI: 0.41, 1.18). The authors found a high number of deaths from acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (SMR = 40; 95% CI: 28.9, 55.8) and from aircraft accidents among the men. In this cohort, ionizing radiation probably contributed less to the small excess in breast cancer mortality than reproductive risk factors. Occupational causes seem not to contribute strongly to the mortality of airline cabin attendants.
(Note that Lufthansa did not ban smoking on their flights until 1997)
Bottom line, by actual peer-reviewed epidemiological studies, what hazards are there to second-hand smoke?
Ping to post #28. A couple of links in there that you can cite for authority.
There are any number of studies that show secondhand smoke is dangerous to those who breath it. The chemicals it contains are toxic to the human body and some of them are known to cause cancer.
“E-cigarette, public danger or untaxed source of government revenue.”
Fixed it.
OK, so can you cite a long term statistically sound epidemiological study that backs that assertion up?
After all, there are plenty of studies that show that anthropogenic global warming will destroy the planet...too bad none of them are sound.
I still smoke real cigarettes but have been using the e-cigs when driving. Major improvement. The car no longer smells like an ashtray.
taxpayer’s friend.
and you can wean yourself off nicotine, if you want.
how are the leaves in a salad? can you eat em?
Are e-cigs taxed like regular cigs?
If not, the state and feds probably want to wipe out competition. Gotta keep the money flowing.
Don’t forget they will cover operations for trans sexuals too.
Some of the companies are already making you pay extra for insurance if your BMI is too much. Never mind that well conditioned athletes and other healthy people who workout and have muscles instead of fat will have a higher BMI.
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