Posted on 01/01/2014 3:18:25 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo
The National Transportation Safety Board says in a preliminary accident report that a small commercial plane that crash-landed in Hawaii waters floated for about 25 minutes before sinking.
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Airport Operations
Airport use: Open to the public
Activation date: 10/1941
Sectional chart: HAWAIIAN ISLANDS
Control tower: no
ARTCC: HONOLULU CONTROL FACILITY CENTER
FSS: HONOLULU FLIGHT SERVICE STATION
NOTAMs facility: MKK (NOTAM-D service available)
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Right. I had looked up information about this also, this afternoon. They have to use the control tower at the Molokai Airport. I’ve been looking up articles that have been scrubbed from the Google results and/or from the web, finding them cited in other places and learning all kinds of stuff. Mark Miller, DOH Administrator for Kalaupapa, said they were using the airport for triage. He must have been talking about the Kalaupapa Airport. From there they took people to the Molokai Medical Center or else to Honolulu. But they took Fuddy and Yamamoto to this “care center” first, where the priest gave conditional last rites to Fuddy and consoled a distraught Yamamoto. The priest said he gave conditional last rites because he didn’t know when Fuddy died but he understood she might have been dead for up to 2 hours by that time. Miller claimed that everybody was accounted for by 4:30pm, with Fuddy and a man in the Coast Guard helicopter. The man survived but they couldn’t revive Fuddy, he said.
The scrubbed articles I’m finding raise a lot of questions, to say the least. The accounts of Miller, Lang, Kawasaki, and Hollstein have a lot of discrepancies between them.
The only thing that makes sense so far is why there was no one at the Kalaupapa airport, when the helicopter pilot went back there looking for help...they close at 15.30.
Lang and Thomson were on their way to visit friends in Maui and had contacted the Moloka’i tower for clearance just before 3:30 p.m. Wednesday. They say the tower operator asked if they were able to hear an “ELT” or Emergency Locator Transmitter. They tuned into the signal, but it was faint so they say they began searching for it and scanning the area for wreckage.
The couple says they reached Kalaupapa about five minutes later and spotted something in the water off the North-West tip of the peninsula near the beginning of runway 5.
The helicopter pilot was talking to the tower at Molokai Airport, not KALAUPAPA airport, which closes at 15.30 and there was no one in attendance.
So who notified MOLOKAI there had been an accident? How did they know there was a need to identify an Emergency Locater Transmitter signal? That was the reason why the helicopter pilot went looking for the aircraft. He didn't just stumble across it...
It must have been the Pilot of the Cessna who contacted MOLOKAI TOWER, right?
JUST BEFORE 3.30 PLUS 5 MINUTES.
Yeah, Lang says he contacted the tower operator at Molokai when they found the downed plane. That must have been around 3:30. It wasn’t clear which airport they went to but it makes sense if it was the Kalaupapa Airport and nobody was there. It doesn’t make sense, though, that the tower operator at Molokai knew there was a plane in the ocean at 3:30 but according to Mark Miller, nobody alerted emergency crews until a navy plane just happened to be doing touch-and-goes and reported the crash to the Coast Guard and fire crews.
IN #114 YOU WROTE:
“According to the timeline the NTSB is giving now (see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3107346/posts ), help crews didn’t even ARRIVE to check out the condition of the victims until 80 minutes after the crash - or 5:05pm. That’s 40 minutes after the crash was reported in the news and 25 minutes after it was reported in the news that there was one casualty. If the NTSB timeline is believed the rescue workers still had to pass Fuddy by, check out others, go back to Fuddy and determine her to be dead, and report it to the news reporter. If that whole process took 30 minutes, then the NTSB timeline would have the news reporting one dead almost an hour before anybody would have determined and reported that.”
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There can only be one possible explanation for that...someone on that aircraft, now in the water, had a direct line to the reporter. (Maybe I’m being glib, but what else?)
If that article comes up for you, cut and paste it here, all I see is a blank blue page.
Oops. That wasn’t very clear. Kawasaki wasn’t able to contact anybody because of the cliffs that block reception there, but the planes have built-in electronic locator transmitters that are activated when there is enough force to suggest a crash. That must have been giving a faint signal to the Molokai tower, which the operator asked Lang about when he called for clearance to go to Maui. When Lang found the downed plane he contacted the Molokai tower operator again to tell him/her there was a plane down in the water.
Looking at the webpages for the Maui Co Fire Department, they have 3 fire stations on Molokai but it doesn’t look like they have helicopters. The county says they have one helicopter and 3 rescue boats. Probably the helicopter is on Maui. Maybe each of the 3 islands in the county (Maui, Molokai, and Lanai) has a rescue boat. The Coast Guard came helicopters, plane, boats, and crews came from Oahu. The fire crew was from Molokai.
The actual NTSB report says the passengers were rescued within 80 minutes.
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/GenPDF.aspx?id=WPR14FA068&rpt=p
On December 11, 2013, at 1522 Hawaiian standard time, a Cessna 208B, N687MA, sustained substantial damage following a loss of engine power and ditching into the Pacific near Kalaupapa, Hawaii.
http://subudgreaterseattle.com/mourning-deliana-fuddy/
did you see this, posted way back?
Also check out comment #91
ok, gotcha, and they all took their time...and arrived about an hour later?
The crew of a training exercise released smoke flares in the water...
So it was the news reports that were out of synch with what happened?
The language in the report is not clear, whether 80 minutes later was when they started rescuing or finished rescuing, or what the 80 minutes was after. A person would need some concrete times for various events in order to know what they mean. It sounds like the report itself is just reiterating what Kawasaki said had happened.
So we’re stuck with the possibility that someone leaked the contents of a sealed document before the court in Seattle in which dear old deceased Fuddy was mentioned as a possible witness related to the ongoing saga of the dubious identity of zero...and she was left in the water with her companions for an undetermined amount of time, maybe for an hour and when the rescuers did arrive, they saw she was unresponsive and just passed her by and picked up someone else first...is that how it goes?
Thanks for finding there was no tower there. If the plane departed at the scheduled time of 3:35 and crashed a minute later, the airport personnel didn’t tarry getting the front door locked and gone by 3:30. Maybe it’s just me, but I would have at least waited to make sure my last plane got off ok and would have seen it coming back. Surely, the other airport tower would have had an emergency number for the airport personnel there to report the signal. All the airports around here are little nothings so aren’t staffed after 5, if at all, but they have emergency numbers. Ok, there are mountains but it’s still a strange set of events.
by Reynold Ruslan FELDMAN, ph.d
In May 1961, a year after receiving my B.A. in English, I was opened in Subud. That took place in Chicago. At the time I was also attending the Ramakrishna-Vivekananda Hindu Fellowship near where I lived. Back at Yale Graduate School that fall and an isolated member, I began studying Indonesian and hanging around with “people who looked like Bapak.” It wasn’t until the fall of 1969 in Honolulu, with Mas Prio Hartono a recent houseguest, that I first tried the Muslim Ramadan Fast. It was challenging, to say the least, with world-class headaches appearing every day by three. But with Muslim students and professors at the East-West Center, where I was working, for companions, it was a dramatic experiment for me—one that I have since repeated 36 times.
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Members said this very individualized and personal connection with God is received through "latihan kejiwaan" — Indonesian for spiritual exercises. Members meet twice a week for the exercises, which last for about 30 minutes. Through the latihan, "we're receiving in a very intense way . . . what it feels like to be guided by God," Feldman said.
Regional helper and member of the Subud faith Deliana Fuddy, right, meditates at one of the group's meetings at Richards Street YWCA. Meditation is followed by spiritual exercises. Kyle Sackowski • The Honolulu Advertiser
I’m not sure if this bit of trivia has been addressed here, but Loretta’s mother was also employed by the Hawaii Department of Health as a computer programmmer. She died in 1997.
Marjorie Fuddy, 70, of Kamiloloa, Molokai, a state Department of Health computer programmer, died Sunday. She was born in Leichhardt, Australia. She is survived by daughters the Rev. Lynette Schaefer, Loretta Fuddy and Cynthia Bunch; sons Philip Golderman and Lewis Fuddy; brother Keith Ireland; sisters Sylvia Laverly and Dollie Bierley, seven grandchildren and a great-grandchild. Scattering of ashes: 10 a.m. tomorrow at Camp Mokuleia. Memorial services: 4 p.m. Wednesday at Grace Episcopal Church, Hoolehua. No flowers. Donations suggested to Camp Mokuleia Campership Fund.
http://archives.starbulletin.com/97/08/29/community/obits.html
I totally agree, last plane off the tarmac, slam the door and outa there. I can imagine how frustrated the pilot of the chopper must have been, finding the place deserted.
According to http://mauitvnews.com/blog/tag/molokai-plane-crash/ :
“Coast Guard watchstanders at the Joint Rescue Coordination Center received report of a plane crash with nine passengers aboard at 3:27 p.m. Wednesday.
The Coast Guard launched two MH-65 Dolphin helicopter aircrews and one HC-130 Hercules airplane crew from Coast Guard Air Station Barbers Point on Oahu. Coast Guard Cutters Ahi and Galveston Island, home-ported in Honolulu, and two 45-foot Response-Boat Medium crews from Station Maui were also dispatched to the scene.
Rescue swimmers from the Dolphin helicopters were deployed, rescuing three passengers in the water. Maui Fire Rescue rescued additional passengers.
Three people were transported by Dolphin helicopter crews to Honolulu for emergency medical services. Two people were transported by a Makani Kai company plane to Honolulu and the rest of the passengers remained on Molokai....
Today, Maui mayor Alan Arakawa extended his condolences to the victim’s family, including her sister, who is a part of the Maui County family and works as a Maui Police Department Chaplain on Molokai. “
Station Maui is on the south side of Maui, according to http://www.uscg.mil/d14/staMaui/Default.asp . Max speed for a Response Boat Medium is 42.5 knots, or 48.9 miles/hour. So it might have just taken the boats that long to get there. Helicopters and plane from Oahu, I don’t know. Seemed like Kawasaki thought it would take 1/2 hour, not an hour.
Sounds like Fuddy’s sister works directly with the Police Chief spokesman who claimed the day after the crash that Fuddy’s body was retrieved from the wreckage.
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