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Recreational Marijuana: Cause and effect in the Oilfield?
Oil Pro ^ | 01/03/2014 | David Morgan

Posted on 01/03/2014 11:29:03 AM PST by thackney

Recreational Marijuana: Cause and effect in the Oilfield? The forthcoming battle for employers!

Although I was a bit hesitant to write this, recent events in the State Of Colorado has more or less made this a national topic and of course it will be a very debated subject in the oilfield.

First and foremost, I wish to make it clear that I personally do not condone or support the use of any motion or mind altering drug, whether legal or not, for use on any oilfield operation. Our industry is dangerous enough without adding any other factor into daily operations where a clear head and fast reactions to any situation are an absolute must. The lives of too many people are at risk where quick and concise actions by any and all are must for survival in many operational situations. With that being said, it is the context of this scenario by which we will discuss off the job usage and only that.

The current scenario is such that the Federal Government has more or less, washed it's hands of the whole marijuana usage issue and placed it firmly upon the shoulders of the State Governments. As all of us have seen, Colorado has opened its doors to both medical and recreational usage as of Jan 01, 2014. A lot of people have seen this coming, the pros and cons have vigorously been debated from both sides of the fence. None of the debates on board any rig that I was on ever proposed the usage on board the vessel in any shape, form or fashion. We are a sort of hard core bunch but even we know better than to allow that sort of activity way out there in the middle of nowhere where our lives depend on quick and immediate responses to danger. None of us want crane operators, subsea engineers, drillers, etc., stoned out of their mind running equipment and making snap decisions which could cost us all dearly. Self preservation for offshore hands is game rule number 1 at all times.

Now here is where it's going to get interesting for Operators, Contractors, Legal Departments and even HR and Recruiters. I see more and more states that will follow Colorado's example, even outside California, real soon. The monetary gains for states is too vast to ignore, sales taxes will soar, permits, licensing, etc., will be a new and steady source of income to the state coffers. Let's not forget that as soon as it becomes legal, each and every person now serving time in State Correctional facilities can be released thus saving the budget nearly $65,000 per inmate per year. The court systems can now flush every pending marijuana case on the books and relieve themselves of that load and expense as well. Local and state police and even the DEA will no longer be inclined to deal with this as it will surely fall under the BATF to regulate sales and growth. DUI of course will still be available to local and state enforcement agencies with new testing procedures and so forth.

Now where it's going to get sticky for employers, is those pre-employment drug screens and random tests on board and perhaps at the heliports. For the moment, it is my understanding that the states will more or less give employers the right to maintain their policies on the use of marijuana. As we all know from past experience, this will last only as long as the first major civil liberties lawsuit is taken to court. The dilemma being, if you live in a state where marijuana is legal for recreational use and as a citizen of the state, you partake of said substance on your time off in compliance of the law, what will the consequence of that in regards to being tested at your place of employment outside of your home state? Even more so, can you be denied employment in a non legal state on an initial drug screen if it is perfectly legal in you home state?

I can safely say, this is going to be a legal nightmare for employers from one end of the USA to the other. Civil Liberties vs Employer Rights will no doubt be a media frenzy and capture a lot of attention. Myself and many a rig hand have debated this vigorously with the pros and cons concerning individual rights and the employers. The resolutions to every scenario never were agreed upon to the satisfaction of both sides of the fence. I write this article to see what everyone else out there has to say on the subject. There is no doubt that employer legal departments have been kicking this scenario around for quite a while. It will be interesting to see what the general oilfield populace has to say on this subject.


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To: thackney

The oilfield is full of dopers.

Always has been always will be.

It’s the threat of getting the living hell beat out of them for doing something stupid that keeps them in line.


21 posted on 01/03/2014 12:51:36 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: thackney

Yes, I looked at your link and it is 5 ng/ml.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 12:52:25 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: IMR 4350; All

Saw a bumper sticker once that said:
I work in the oil patch because the dope comes in 5-gallon buckets and the joints are 20 feet long!


23 posted on 01/03/2014 1:05:37 PM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist...)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
anyone using oxycodone ... that stuff is truly dangerous

I understand what you're saying.

I have a question.

I broke my heel bone into about 8 pieces 10 weeks ago, and have had a script for oxycodone providing up to 4 pills per day since. I've accumulated quite a stash.

I take maybe 3 every 2 days on average, never feel anything like a craving, and get nothing even vaguely resembling recreational benefits from them.

Am I missing something in how to use these pills? I don't see why people are so big on using them for "fun."

24 posted on 01/03/2014 1:14:40 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Gen.Blather
I’ve often wondered whether he’s still alive and if so how many lives he’s ruined. (I suspected he was a pot user, but couldn’t prove it.)

You could take a responsible person, get him high as a kite, and he still wouldn't do anything as stupid as you just described. This guy's problem was not marijuana. He was either crazy, IQ under 80, or on some much more powerful drug. My favorite part of your story is how you merely suspected that he was a pot user, and that is enough reason for you to cite this story as evidence that legal marijuana will bring mass destruction. There may be legitimate arguments against legalization, but I see very few reasonable or logical ones listed on FR. Mostly I see wholesale swallowing and endorsement of government War on Drugs propaganda.

One of the reasons I am so adamant about this is because I know a number of professionals who either currently are regular pot smokers or have been, and handle their complex jobs just fine. The "Reefer Madness" hysteria would have these decent people visited by SWAT in the dead of night, all while ignoring the mass death and destruction caused by alcohol, because hey, alcohol is MY drug of choice so let's not stigmatize THAT.
25 posted on 01/03/2014 1:15:58 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Sherman Logan

I had exactly the same experience as you describe for oxycodone, but Percodan was really good stuff....

Not sure why...


26 posted on 01/03/2014 1:17:40 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: thackney
Legalizing marijuana in any state is a bad idea.

And no, I won't ping Dane because he is such an asshole.

5.56mm

27 posted on 01/03/2014 1:18:13 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: nascarnation

Maybe I can schmooze the doc into giving me some...


28 posted on 01/03/2014 1:18:57 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Wuli

The issue, I think, is that at present it’s a good deal more difficult to prove someone is high than drunk.


29 posted on 01/03/2014 1:20:22 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: thackney
Legalized pot plus recreational skiing will also mean new state regulations ...

For starters, how about one keeping Kennedys out of the state ...

30 posted on 01/03/2014 1:23:49 PM PST by x
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To: IMR 4350

While I agree there are many drug users in the oil patch, hiring drug tests and follow up random drug test helps keep it down. I’ve taken many to start a new job.


31 posted on 01/03/2014 1:37:05 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Wuli
its legal to drink alcohol

it is not legal to be “under the influence” of alcohol

For most of the work I've seen the last decade or so has been zero tolerance. No alcohol at all in your system is acceptable during working hours.

A couple decades ago we often had a beer at lunch, no more. And that is even with the office only work, not going to the job site.

32 posted on 01/03/2014 1:40:03 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ifinnegan
So maybe this is 5 ng/ml?

That makes sense but I don't know the units. I haven't looked up on this before. I just searched figuring this isn't the first time this has been considered.

33 posted on 01/03/2014 1:41:28 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mozarky2
the dope comes in 5-gallon buckets and the joints are 20 feet long!

LOL!!!

34 posted on 01/03/2014 1:42:16 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ifinnegan
"don’t expect to have a job"

The big question in Colorado: can employers legally discriminate against stoners?

Personally, I wouldn't hire a Stoner to stock shelves, much less participate in a dangerous environment.
35 posted on 01/03/2014 1:44:23 PM PST by indthkr
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To: indthkr

Companies have successfully been able to not hire tobacco smokers. I don’t think this will be any more difficult.


36 posted on 01/03/2014 1:47:31 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: livius

Not chemically addictive,no hangover and longer buzz on smaller dose are the big one. Then of course it’s just a matter of personal preference, the two buzzes are very different you might like one more than the other.

In the long run it won’t be any different than alcohol. Jobs you’re not allowed to do drunk you won’t be allowed to do stoned. It’s mostly the prohibitionists writing these things trying to make the situation seem other than it is. There was a wave of these stories when the medical MJ thing started gaining steam and none of their nightmare scenarios came to pass.


37 posted on 01/03/2014 1:48:26 PM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: indthkr

Someone pointed out they are discriminating against nicotine smokers, which is legal, so it would seem they can treat stoners similarly.


38 posted on 01/03/2014 1:54:21 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Sherman Logan
I broke my heel bone into about 8 pieces 10 weeks ago . . .

Sherman, I pray for a complete recovery for you.

My wife shattered her heel in an auto accident (teenage texting) about six years ago, so I understand what you'll be going through with recovery and PT.

39 posted on 01/03/2014 1:57:36 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: indthkr
The big question in Colorado: can employers legally discriminate against stoners?

 

Yes. Yes, they can.

 

Legal or not, you could get fired for smoking pot (Colorado)
 
12/31/2013 11:03:49 AM PST · by Responsibility2nd · 35 replies

 

40 posted on 01/03/2014 2:06:31 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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