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To: DoughtyOne

As long as he has U. S. Citizenship, that’s the part that matters to me.


I haven’t been following this..Was Cruz born in Canada to American citizens? Were his parents Canadian and he became a naturalized citizen when he was 4?....”citizen” does not mean “natural born”.


18 posted on 01/03/2014 12:44:49 PM PST by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: AFret.
”citizen” does not mean “natural born”.

It does now, at least here, since Cruz has become the anointed one.

Few here remember how Lindsy Graham came to prominence, we loved him here when he was prosecuting Bill Clinton.

29 posted on 01/03/2014 2:11:44 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: AFret.; itsahoot

If a person is born on foreign soil to U. S. Citizen parents, I consider the person a natural born U. S. Citizen. If we’re talking a short vacation trip, or perhaps someone serving overseas in some capacity, I don’t think the kid should be denied the natural born status. I will say that if this service and absense from U. S. soil is extended, then it does become quite problematic for me.

In a child’s formative years, they must be on U. S. soil, soaking up a devotion to our nation. If they are living in France for an extended period of their life, how do they have more loyalty to the U. S. than France?

Obama clearly doesn’t have an ounce of loyalty to the United States. He loathes it, admittedly or not. He is the exact model of what we try to avoid with the ‘Natural Born’ clause. At least in my opinion he is.

The strange thing you have going on here is this. Even if Obama was born on U. S. Soil, folks couldn’t convince me that Maggie Thatcher wouldn’t have made us a better president than him, her having been born in England and him here. (if it’s ever proven he was)


32 posted on 01/03/2014 2:21:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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To: AFret.

Cruz was born in Canada to one parent whom was American and one parent who was Cuban. At the time of his birth , anyone born in Canada was a citizen regardless of parents place of birth. This law has since been repealed. If he was born recently in Canada, he would be considered an American or an Cuban by Canadian officials. All EU counties now confirm to this standard. Prior to 1985 all children of illegals were not considered U.S. citizens( native born. At that time they were allowed to “claim “ U.S. citizenship or Mexican citizenship. Of course at that time, it was estimated that only a few thousand children were born in this category and was not considered a major issue. In 2010 the policy for illegals was changed (quietly) and the children of illegals were declared automatic citizens by birth on American soil. The Constitutional definition for Natural born citizen requires that both parents be U.S. citizens at birth, but since Article 2 was not enforced for obama, Cruz running for President appears to have some validly .


34 posted on 01/03/2014 2:26:16 PM PST by alpha 76
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