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Moving to Work (Should we help the poor move to where the jobs are?)
National Affairs ^ | The Winter 2014 Issue | Eli Lehrer and Lori Sanders

Posted on 01/04/2014 4:44:31 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 01/04/2014 4:44:31 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a lot of tickets to China, isn’t it?


2 posted on 01/04/2014 4:45:35 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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Why would the Chinese want them?


3 posted on 01/04/2014 4:48:01 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I understand that the Chinese have plenty of empty planned towns.


4 posted on 01/04/2014 4:52:09 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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Cut taxes and regulation to spur job creation at the same time we start whittling away at the entitlements for those least in need.


5 posted on 01/04/2014 4:52:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The poor, at least those on welfare, should be all sent to China. That is where the work is.


6 posted on 01/04/2014 4:57:27 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: cripplecreek

Do the whittling with a large axe and strong arms and back.


7 posted on 01/04/2014 4:58:11 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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Naaaah—this makes too much sense.

Let’s us just import another thirty million Mehhiccaans.


8 posted on 01/04/2014 4:58:23 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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To: arthurus

Cutting entitlements is a loser but it becomes a lot easier if jobs are being created for them to go into. Cutting the taxes and regulations are a lot easier to do.


9 posted on 01/04/2014 5:03:27 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dang near every business in Bismarck has help wanted signs out front. McDonalds has signs offering $10 hour starting wage with raises and a $500 hiring bonus. Walmart electronics at any time is impossible to find someone to help you and at the holidays it was stupid, one employee for 70 customers. They are actively hiring but there are just not enough people to work. The last 3 times I have gone to Taco Bell (over a 3 month time period) the first time they had the store closed because they didn’t have enough people to cover a shift, the second and third time the drive thru was closed because there just were not enough people to work it.

Bringing people here to work would be great for the customers, but there are so few places for them to live. Housing is at a shortage, and what is there is expensive. We live 65 miles away and people are moving in that work 80-120 miles away in the oil area. Housing in our little town is almost gone and the property values are rising. We bought our house 5 years ago for 16k and it has doubled in the last year.

If you were to bring employees here to work the lower paying jobs they will try to go to the oil patch where there are higher paying jobs. Some people are living in campers. Weather guys are saying -60 wind chill for Sunday and Monday, they are going to be cold cold cold.


10 posted on 01/04/2014 5:20:11 AM PST by momto6
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why don’t we simply help the jobs move to where the poor are? Yes, that would mean ending Progressivism and its corrosive effect on urban economies.


11 posted on 01/04/2014 5:24:11 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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“Population might fall in some already-depressed areas, but, for those left behind, schools and public services will be less crowded, and less competition will exist for job openings.”

This never translates into downsizing of government/reduced costs; it simply means the area becomes a “sanctuary” for illegals (to keep the housing and classrooms full). In my area this has led the jobs and mobile workers to flee, accelerating the death spiral.

If there was any lesson people learned since 2000, it is that owning a home/mortgage is a risky proposition because it ties you to a municipal government that will fiscally rape you to fund local government workers (teachers, cops, etc.); those policies kill jobs, and you are unable to flee. As fewer taxpayers breed, there is no need to buy residential property except to earn income (which has its own risks); young people today are keeping their options open by avoiding families and buying homes. Municipalities don’t like this concept (as they lose their captive taxpayers), but they have only themselves to blame.


12 posted on 01/04/2014 5:29:17 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

why would anybody want them?


13 posted on 01/04/2014 5:45:48 AM PST by bestintxas (Obamacare = Obamascrewed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One reasonable plan was that America has a huge number of abandoned small towns, that with some planning could be revitalized as “lower tech” support centers for things like retirement towns, long term care and hospices.

The biggest expenses would be to rebuild buildings, many of which were insulated with asbestos, and the underlying infrastructure, such as water, sewers, and electrical.

Set up to a great extent by the states, it would take care of several problems. Most of the work and small business would be done by the “quality” unemployed, and beyond what is needed for the town, other development would be discouraged. Prices kept artificially low, with a conscious effort to reproduce a local economy of the type that existed in the late 1940’s and ‘50’s.

This is just a bare bones description, but the idea is to provide for the elderly and the poor a “step back” from modern society, with a slower pace, less stress, and a comfortable place to live.


14 posted on 01/04/2014 5:53:21 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stalin,Hitler,Pol-Pot and Mao had this idea first.


15 posted on 01/04/2014 5:53:39 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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I would think mitigating and bulldozing a structure with asbestos and replacing it with brand-new pre-fabricated or modular structures that meet or exceed all current codes would make much more sense in that scenario.


16 posted on 01/04/2014 5:56:24 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: Dr. Ursus

I don’t believe theirs were “opt-in” programs, were they?


17 posted on 01/04/2014 5:57:35 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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“Should we help the poor move to where the jobs are?......

China already has all the labor they need.


18 posted on 01/04/2014 6:04:05 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Help them? What ever happened to walking?


19 posted on 01/04/2014 6:14:00 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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I’ve moved several times for work, the latest I relocated to Grande Prairie, AB this last early spring. I moved for opportunities and to provide for my family and avoid the rut. Everyone wants to live in big cities with all the amenities. Then they barely scrape by or don’t, always complaining they don’t make enough.

Yet where I am, we can’t find enough people, yet we still have an airport, all the restaurants, costcos, the walmarts and all that crap.

It astounds me that people won’t move a couple hours to make big bucks.


20 posted on 01/04/2014 6:41:19 AM PST by Bulwyf
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