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To: Scoutmaster
143 This isn't going to be a quick death. ...

I agree. The BSA pros estimated back in APR2013 that their worst case scenario would see a loss of 13% of the 2013 membership level.

...How does it affect my units? We can control access to our Scouts when we camp alone, but District or Council overnight events are now out of our control - and out of our scheduled program.

So that means no district/council camporees, no distirct merit badge days, what about your district EBoR?, no council summer camp, no national jamboree, no world jamboree, and worst for you, no Philmont/Northern Tier/FL Sea Base/Summit. I include the High Adventure bases because even though you will oversee your crews on the trail, they will come into contact with other crews, base-camp staff and out-back staff. When I trekked Philmont in 1990, I had a conversation with a college-aged staffer who told me about 2 staffers who were dismissed after being caught in the act. First time I heard the term "packing fudge."

37 posted on 01/04/2014 1:34:48 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton
So that means no district/council camporees, no distirct merit badge days, what about your district EBoR?, no council summer camp, no national jamboree, no world jamboree, and worst for you, no Philmont/Northern Tier/FL Sea Base/Summit.

For the present, it means no district/council camporees.

I'm not concerned with merit badge days or Eagle Boards of Review, which don't involve overnight camping. To me, the increased dangers are minimal.

Council Summer Camp is currently on hold for our Troop - by direction of our Troop Commitee, but not for my Crew, which has a different chartered organization.

National Jamborees are a Council event. I've been a Scoutmaster for two and will not serve again; it's a parental decision for Scouts as to whether they let their sons/daughters attend.

I've been a Scoutmaster for a World Scout Jamboree. Homosexual leaders and Scouts were already a fact of life in that environment. My biggest problem there was the co-ed nature, which U.S. Scouts had a difficult time handling in a mature manner. I believe in the co-ed program for older Scouts, which is why I'm a Venturing Crew Advisor.

I'm not concerned with Philmont, Northern Tier, or Sea Base. Even at a Philmont staffed camp, you're still a mile or more from the staff (except at a few camps, like Ponil). At Sea Base, you're with your own crew, with the exception of a few programs like Scuba Adventure or Scuba Training.

In other words, we make the decision on a case-by-case basis.

55 posted on 01/04/2014 2:24:56 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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So that means no district/council camporees, no distirct merit badge days, what about your district EBoR?, no council summer camp, no national jamboree, no world jamboree, and worst for you, no Philmont/Northern Tier/FL Sea Base/Summit.

For the present, it means no district/council camporees.

I'm not concerned with merit badge days or Eagle Boards of Review, which don't involve overnight camping. To me, the increased dangers are minimal.

Council Summer Camp is currently on hold for our Troop - by direction of our Troop Commitee, but not for my Crew, which has a different chartered organization.

National Jamborees are a Council event. I've been a Scoutmaster for two and will not serve again; it's a parental decision for Scouts as to whether they let their sons/daughters attend.

I've been a Scoutmaster for a World Scout Jamboree. Homosexual leaders and Scouts were already a fact of life in that environment. My biggest problem there was the co-ed nature, which U.S. Scouts had a difficult time handling in a mature manner. I believe in the co-ed program for older Scouts, which is why I'm a Venturing Crew Advisor.

I'm not concerned with Philmont, Northern Tier, or Sea Base. Even at a Philmont staffed camp, you're still a mile or more from the staff (except at a few camps, like Ponil). At Sea Base, you're with your own crew, with the exception of a few programs like Scuba Adventure or Scuba Training.

In other words, we make the decision on a case-by-case basis.

56 posted on 01/04/2014 2:24:57 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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