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To: stanne

While I cannot be accused of having an excessive love for the Jesuits, especially from the 17th century on, this is not entirely fair. Not every Jesuit rejected Humanae Vitae, and to paraphrase Fr. Michael Scanlon, of Franciscan University of Steubenville and charismatic fame, in the beginning pretty well everybody did. This includes the majority of episcopal conferences in first-world countries—are you familiar with the Winnipeg Statement?

That said, your observation that those who rejected have been crippled is spot on.


8 posted on 01/05/2014 3:36:31 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus

Whatever. I am just stating widely held understanding among Catholics. Does every Jesuit think this way? Of course not.

My experience has been that every Jesuit devotee in my extended family votes and thinks liberal. Not because of union loyalty, but, in this case, BC, Georgetown, Catholic, Holy Cross.

And experience with childhood friends and current colleagues of various colleges, and their libertine thinking, along with loss of faith and following their own idea of what the church should be doing. None of whom got through a Jesuit University without being turned away, or who, retaining their faith, cites the former constant struggle at college to do so.

The other faiths I am not talking about. What business do they have in accepting or rejecting Humanae Vitae?

None. they’d be wise to do so and unwise not to, as Catholic teaching is wise on matters of good living in any case, for anyone.

But I am not talking about that.

From “First Things”, Jan 2006

It should not be thought that these are simply expressions of unhappiness with the instruction from Rome. What can only be described as Jesuit repudiation of the Church’s teaching on homosexuality is considered and apparently entrenched in the leadership of the Society. Theological Studies, the Jesuit academic quarterly, publishes articles such as “The Open Debate: Moral Theology and the Lives of Gay and Lesbian Persons.” Father James F. Keenan, S.J., professor of moral theology at the Weston Jesuit School of Theology in Massachusetts, leaves no doubt that he thinks it is a legitimate debate and it is wide open. He cites numerous gay and gay-friendly Catholic thinkers who agree with him.


20 posted on 01/05/2014 9:06:30 AM PST by stanne
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