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Richard Norgaard, UC Berkeley economist: "There is no theoretical reason why the economy has to keep growing."


The economy has to keep growing to cover the unfunded pension and health care benefits of public university employees.

1 posted on 01/05/2014 9:21:29 AM PST by artichokegrower
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I double dog dare you to mail him that comment!


2 posted on 01/05/2014 9:22:02 AM PST by Black Agnes
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Save America! Deport all illegal aliens!


3 posted on 01/05/2014 9:22:58 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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Ah the blatherings of the left that is Buzzerkley


4 posted on 01/05/2014 9:23:54 AM PST by Nifster
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A former student is going to UC Berkeley. When I heard this I just shook my head.

she and her parents pay to be ‘taught’ by these idiots.

Anyone who, in the first place, doesn’t recognize that we are $17 trillion in debt and that that cannot be paid back, under the current and projected trends, is stupider than I am about economics, and I have zero academic economic credentials.


5 posted on 01/05/2014 9:25:37 AM PST by stanne
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"Across America, construction is up and unemployment is down. Consumers are buying. The economy is growing."

The Beltway, Castro, Silicon Valley and Tribeca are not the sum total of America. In most localities the above statement is not only untrue but a cruel joke.

6 posted on 01/05/2014 9:27:16 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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There ya go. Zero growth is too much. If they have their way they would cause a tremendous depression. This explains their, otherwise, insane economic policies.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 9:27:27 AM PST by DManA
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Lets see. In one day I’ve seen that all sex is rape, meat eating is pedophilia, global warming is worse than ever, and there’s no reason for economic growth.


8 posted on 01/05/2014 9:29:08 AM PST by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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And yet in the same paper, an article celebrating the Bay Area’s wealthy and those consuming planetary resources:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-s-People-to-Watch-in-2014-5114765.php

Note the first person mentioned in the list (who also has the first and last photos in the related gallery).

What did Chesterton say about how could you tell whether you were part of the “surplus population” or not?


9 posted on 01/05/2014 9:32:21 AM PST by thecodont
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All up and down the Jersey shore, people are renovating. They are spending a lot of money.

I am told it has nothing to do with Sandy, and everything to do with a growing economy.

Oh. OK. Nothing to do with insurance payouts and certainly not anything to do with the love between their governor and his boardwalk buddy.

Nothing to do with printing money out of control.

WE are $1 trillion in debt as of the last election. That was acceptable and not powerfully stated by Romney.

What is the debt now? What are the predictions for how we are going t take care of this, besides passing it to our children, who are being taught Crap in these colleges?

Where is the wisdom?

That the wealthy are not being wise in distributing their money however they see fit, including providing for their on future or not, has to do with the wisdom of the family, their own family.

Our government Is responsible for strapping the youth with, as it is, an unpayable debt.

these guys need to focus on that.

If a guy in SF wants to spend money, what’s it to some dopey college professor?

If this professor would be honest, he’d investigate Pelosi’s, Boxer’s, Feinsteins and the Schwoarzeneggars’ spending and earning, and usury of those whom they are entrusted to serve.

The individual has no such civically binding obligation.


13 posted on 01/05/2014 9:36:55 AM PST by stanne
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Everybody should read Dan Brown's INFERNO. It paints an unpleasant but plausible vision of the future.

The elite want to accumulat wealth, power, and possessions. There are too mahy people on the planet, more than they deem necessary to satisfy their lusts. There were too many people reaching that extremely rich status before the recession. Now, it's time to impoverish and kill off the bottom 98% or so while continuing on the road to idyllic existance.

That's a conspiracy theory, for sure. Convince me it's not plausible.

15 posted on 01/05/2014 9:38:46 AM PST by grania
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All you had to do was mention “California”, and any debate of growth or prosperity is instantly shut down. Do the people of California even realize just how much they’re loathed, despised, and ridiculed by the rest of the US?
I moved to Oregon from the upper midwest, and even the people here east of the cascades don’t want anything to do with anyone from California. California earned the name of the “granola” state for a reason, and it isn’t just a west coast thing.


16 posted on 01/05/2014 9:40:45 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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If the planet isn’t used for our growth it has no value.

“Be fruitful and multiply”- all the ecology I need to know.


17 posted on 01/05/2014 9:41:30 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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“Growth” is being funded by QE (in the USA and elsewhere) in the name of ‘stimulus’ and ‘job creation’ ... which is supported and advocated by who? The LEFT .. in every country.

Yet ‘growth’ (which would logically include the creation of more jobs) is considered bad for the environment.

The illogical LEFT wants more jobs, but no growth.

The Berkeley professor is right up to a point. More industry (which is the definition of growth) does necessarily require we consume more energy and natural resources. But this is more a factor of population growth rather than economic growth per se.

But the Berkley professor and the LEFT can’t have it both ways. Either the people of the planet have jobs (which necessitates growth in industry which in turn necessitates consumption of energy and resources) or people of the planet don’t have jobs and live in abject poverty.

Of course, when you are never ever required to be logical (the LEFT) then you don’t have to recognize this at all. You can always have utopia ... for nothing.


18 posted on 01/05/2014 9:43:46 AM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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The economy is growing   



             

20 posted on 01/05/2014 9:47:20 AM PST by tomkat
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“Unbridled growth” is harming the planet at all.

The unwillingness to use the science and resources available is making things worse than need be.

Use NUCLEAR POWER AND NATURAL GAS and all the dirty coal fired plants can go away. (leave the low sulfur coal plants alone)

Use DDT to control third world malaria. (Ref. NatGeo July 2007)
(It was only a problem in the U.S. due to significant overuse.)

Replace oppressive socialist and dictatorial regimes with free democracies, to allow ingenuity and capitalism to thrive.


22 posted on 01/05/2014 9:53:17 AM PST by G Larry
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Ohhhhhhh.....I see it now......Obama and the Democrats screwing up the economy is actually good. That, friends, is a stretch that any First Baseman would be proud of.


23 posted on 01/05/2014 9:58:03 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Richard Norgaard, UC Berkeley economist: "There is no theoretical reason why the economy has to keep growing."

Theoretically, no. Corruption, crony capitalism, government support of industries for which there is no market, and the formation of government-approved monopolies can all lead to a shrinking economy in which a few government-approved oligarchs live like pashas, skilled workers flee the country in droves and those who can't get out can fight over the few available jobs or turn to crime while birthrates collapse, and abandoned cities are retaken by wildlife. Russia is once again the role model for the Left.

Or why stop there? Destruction is always easier than creation. Ruin the economy sufficiently and we can all revert to a pre-industrial agrarian society. From there it's just a hop, skip and jump to living in caves, waiting for extinction, which will presumably allow the enviro-cultists to stop worrying about the planet.
27 posted on 01/05/2014 10:15:51 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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Fresh-faced tech millionaires snap up glitzy new condos in San Francisco

Not to worry -- these likely Libs will be "absolved" as long as they say their prayers to Gaia & quietly pay the carbon taxes ....

28 posted on 01/05/2014 10:27:01 AM PST by mikrofon (Truly Inquiring Minds WANT to Know.)
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All this blather focuses on the population in developed nations. Hint: Producers

None of this blather focuses on the population in under-developed nations. Hint: Takers

It even addresses the races inside nations. White upwardly mobile people, have concern for the planet. Have fewer kids. Use less resources.

Poor people with no means of supporting yourselves or your offspring..., oh never-mind, we’ll get to you later.

NEVER do you see focus on poor families with five to ten children. Always you see focus on the upwardly mobile who are already having far fewer kids than are needed to replace them.

Those that listen are causing a system where the best and brightest are not swelling in the ranks, but the bottom 1% is.

This is suicidal talk. Oh, UC Berkeley? LOL, who could have guessed that...

The West, the Capitalist nations are the target. We don’t want them reproducing do we...


29 posted on 01/05/2014 10:28:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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leftist politics not withstanding(their science being garbage science).

there are a few things that scare the crap out of me.

the population growth (which seems to mostly in the 3rd world)

the movement of peoples from the 3rd world to the west.

the increase in food production(whether by normal breeding processes or by genetic modification) to permit this population growth.

and one or more catastrophes happening at once.
these could be:

a huge solar flare of the 1859 caliber
a large volcanic eruption of the Toba catastrophe or even one of considerably less like the Tambora eruption and subsequent year without a summer, 1816.
a big (not chicxulub big, but big)Asteroid hit
a World War (non nuclear)
a World War (nuclear)
a pandemic of the 1918 Spanish flu caliber

we could wind up, literally, in a world of hurt as we approach our tipping points.


31 posted on 01/05/2014 10:46:04 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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