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To: mrsmith
Without civilization there can be no ‘we the people’.There have never been any civilizations without government enforcement of ‘personal relationships’. And Man hasn’t changed. Not in recorded history. But maybe something happened recently, if so I’d like to know what it is.

Yes, as a mater of fact, something did happen recently. About 230 years ago, a country was founded on exactly the opposite principles that you just cited. You see, the Founder of this country based it on the single idea that We the People came first - before civilization. And that We the People have God-given rights that exist before civilization. And that by acknowledging these God-given, pre-existing rights, civilization can then be created out of them, by forming a severely limited government that comes after these rights, and is subject to these rights, and is limited by these rights. And that then, and only then, can what results be properly called the civilization God wants us all to live in.

And you're right - man hasn't changed. But for the first time in thousands of years, a country has arisen that actually acknowledges what man really is - a being created by God, with inherent, pre-existing, God-given rights. And that is new, astonishing, and just the change you are looking for, because it means that all of previous human history, all those previous cultures that called themselves civilized, were wrong. And not only wrong, but dead wrong - absolutely backwards.

Welcome to America. You might want to read up a little bit more on what it's about before you comment on a website called "Free Republic."

38 posted on 01/05/2014 3:08:29 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

That’s just childish.
Sorry.

The Founders discussed past governments and societies and understood them and the nature of civilization well.
It is a lesson in both governance and Man to read their words.
Of course their help in this matter is limited as they left such matters to the states.


47 posted on 01/05/2014 3:23:26 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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