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Last I checked Utah wasn’t allowed to become a state unless they outlawed polygamy. Leaving the definition of marriage up to the states isn’t acceptable. Marriage is a fundamental moral, legal and social construct that defines the character and boundaries of an entire society at the most basic level. Nevermind the legal chaos that ensues as people move from state-to-state where a marriage in one state may not be recognized in another.

We are now paying the price for not seeking a constitutional amendment defining marriage years ago when we had a chance of passing it. The MTV-ified, more atheistic younger generations replace the dying traditional-minded folk more every day. A resurgence in traditional and Christian values is not out of the question in the years to come, but it becomes more of an uphill battle every day.


52 posted on 01/06/2014 2:17:59 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones
Marriage is a fundamental moral, legal and social construct that defines the character and boundaries of an entire society at the most basic level. Nevermind the legal chaos that ensues as people move from state-to-state where a marriage in one state may not be recognized in another.

I agree with the first for certain, even though I stated prior that it should be left up to the states. I guess maybe I was thinking more along the lines of "civil unions" or whatever the heck they want to call it--I could really care less if a couple guys want to be together, although I have no understanding of why that would be. A constitutional amendment defining marriage would have helped alleviate a lot of this. I agree with marriage being between a man and a woman. As an aside, I am really just tired of the homosexual agenda in general. It's non-stop, in your face, everyday, in almost every facet of life. It's getting really old.

Concerning the legal chaos, that's something unavoidable in many instances when issues are left for the states to decide. Heck, take the firearms laws for example. I live in Missouri, where you can carry concealed in your vehicle without a permit. However, if I cross over into East Germany...uh, I mean...Illinois, then I have to take the gun, unload it, and put the gun and ammunition each in their own separate, locked cases out of reach from the driver. Legal chaos is part and parcel of having 50 distinct and separate government entities and one giant national government.

57 posted on 01/06/2014 3:23:06 PM PST by gopno1
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To: JediJones
Leaving the definition of marriage up to the states isn’t acceptable.

Agreed. Regardless, it is happening YET any debate on the facts and merits regarding the issue has yet to happen in any court of law I am aware of.

The propaganda of the homosexual agenda has been so successful that 'progress' seems a forgone inevitability. The legal house of cards is premised upon propaganda accepted as gospel fact & slight of hand that replaces procreation with the emotion of love as the declared rational underlying society's institution of marriage. The courts accept as fact that there is a 'gay species' and with no rational basis that society must be imposed upon to confer upon 'married' homosexual sex partners the same social blessings it has freely conferred upon married heterosexual sex partners.

67 posted on 01/06/2014 5:23:10 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: JediJones
Last I checked Utah wasn’t allowed to become a state unless they outlawed polygamy.

You're right.

But there is a BIG downside to that!!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

69 posted on 01/06/2014 6:43:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JediJones
A resurgence in traditional and Christian values is not out of the question in the years to come, but it becomes more of an uphill battle every day.


 

 

2 Chronicles 7:14

If my people, who are called by my name,
shall humble themselves,
and pray, and seek my face,
and turn from their wicked ways; ,

then will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land.


Since we are trying DESPARATELY to cure a Spiritual sickness with Political medicine; I'm afraid things will only get worse.

Until someone comes along with a plan to get ALL warring sides together.

And; it'll probably work; too.

For about 3 1/2 years...

70 posted on 01/06/2014 6:47:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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