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To: cloudmountain
The Church HAD/HAS to be manned by humans so error HAS to take place. But to bash the institution so is beyond the pale. They are to be pitied.

So who is to be pitied? Those who criticize the Inquisition and the institution which practiced it or those who were tortured to death for speaking out against the error which you admit happened?

You were really on to something in your first post (but each post you have made since then makes me believe that you were totally unaware of the valid point you were making). Paul in Ephesians 6:12 makes it clear that spiritual warfare is with the institutions ("powers and principalities") not primarily with the people deceived ("flesh and blood") by the institutions. Most Muslims (excluding the hardcore jihadists) are not to be hated but pitied as those who are deceived - they are the ones who need the Gospel which Islam is trying to silence. Islam, the institution, is to be recognized and despised as the evil it represents. I have no doubt that there are good Muslim people in the world - at least, as good as one can be without the power of the Holy Spirit, however, it does not logically follow that Christians should be anything other than enemies of Islam.

130 posted on 01/07/2014 9:54:17 AM PST by CommerceComet (No more GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: CommerceComet
What can I say? I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years...my husband worked for ARAMCO and I never did meet the jihadists.

Once I did have a contretemps with a young Saudi punk.

I was going OUT of a store and he was coming IN. We both assumed that the other would step aside. I ASSUMED that he was a gentleman and he assumed...who knows. Neither of us would give way so we edged around each other, GLARING mightily at each other.

His parents, I know, would have been APPALLED at his behavior. He KNEW he should have given way but he was just a punk, an angry young punk.

The rest of the Saudi men treated me very well, those 30 Saudi men I worked with and the rest I had to deal with.
MOSTLY I saw that the men just want to get together, drink tea and talk about their 18-year-old sons who DON'T want to work or go to school... but just want to drive around in their cars.

The Saudi women MOSTLY just want to get together, drink tea and talk about their ungrateful children, obstinate in-laws and clothes/jewelry/babies, etc.

I tried very hard not to judge too much; that is for God to do. Both my husband and I thought that those five years were an adventure of a lifetime. My goodness, he made a TON of money from ARAMCO. We traveled ALL over the world...first class. My husband is gone now, but I can't forget our adventures.

137 posted on 01/07/2014 5:54:26 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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