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To: BurningOak

“state governments will fold like cheap lawn chairs.”

Really? You smell like a DU troll on a mission to demoralize conservatives and the advances they’ve made in the past 3 years. Tell us how many states are controlled by patriots and conservatives vs the number controlled by liberal commies and fascists.


54 posted on 01/14/2014 4:02:36 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave; BurningOak

I suspect he’s right, though - all those Republican governors talking so tough, standing up to the Feds over same-sex benefits for state Guardsmen? It only took about three months before every one of those brave 10th Amendment warriors folded.

I think we need to focus on establishing as many religious protections and exemptions as possible; SCOTUS won’t be able to avoid the issue much longer, if lower courts keep ruling this way.


57 posted on 01/14/2014 4:21:53 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: sergeantdave

“Really? You smell like a DU troll on a mission to demoralize conservatives and the advances they’ve made in the past 3 years. Tell us how many states are controlled by patriots and conservatives vs the number controlled by liberal commies and fascists.”

Sorry to offend your gentle sensibilities.

How many states are controlled by patriots vs fascists/commies? Lets see, patriots believe in states rights and limited Constitutional federal government. Progressives believe in total federal control of the states directly (communism) or indirectly (fascism).

So how many states are controlled by each side?

Progressives 50 Patriots 0.

Sure some states are much better than others, Texas is obviously more free than Massachusetts. But they all ultimately bow to the federal dollar. We saw this recently when Obama started giving homosexual couples benefits in state national guards. A bunch of conservative governors screamed and shouted, said they will never give them benefits, but in the end they all folded, Texas included, because they all take federal money, they all have millions of retirees dependent on social security and medicare. They know the federal government owns them.

Show me a state that takes no money from the federal government, supports its own retirees and poor people, funds its own national guard, and I will show you a patriotic, conservative state.


58 posted on 01/14/2014 4:24:58 PM PST by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: sergeantdave

It doesn’t matter how much we control the state governments though, does it? If they can appeal to the federal courts, where most of the judges are progressives, what can the states do? The governors? The legislatures? The voters?

The only recourse is for states to DISOBEY the federal government, and in Utah, that didn’t happen. The officials buckled and began handing out the licenses. This is where the pessimism comes from. Our states seem as unwilling to fight as most of our senators. Look at how many folded on Obamacare!

We have this in-built mentality now that the states have no rights, that the federal government, especially the judicial branch, are all-powerful. Yet the Founders would spit on the SCOTUS and lower courts of today. The tyranny and hubris is palpable.


64 posted on 01/14/2014 4:37:39 PM PST by Viennacon
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