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1 posted on 01/14/2014 9:30:27 PM PST by ReformationFan
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Who should we blame for gay ‘marriage’? It’s not who you think

WHOM should we blame for gay ‘marriage’? It’s not WHOM you think

Whom should we blame for poor grammar’? It’s not whom you think

Carissa must be Fox Mulder's little sister ...
2 posted on 01/14/2014 9:49:13 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Let the dead bury the dead. Let the GOP bury the GOP.)
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When it comes down to it, the blame falls mostly to those of us who didn’t honour marriage the way it should have been honoured. It’s only because of that did every other thing on this topic became conceivable.


3 posted on 01/14/2014 9:56:16 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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This goes all the way back to the state sticking its nose in religious sacrament in the first place.

The issue is NOT should the state recognize homosexual marriage but that it has no business dealing in any kind of marriage - or divorce for that matter.

When tax laws and other statues favor one group of people over another you are asking for trouble.

This is a different issue from say abortion where innocent life is at stake.

At this point, I do not advocate any Christian getting LEGALLY married or any church conducting any LEGAL marriages in their building. Have the ceremony in a hotel ballroom or some other public place or a private home but the church should conduct NO weddings of any kind on church property. The couple should NOT get a marriage license from the state and the minister should, if possible, give up their right to conduct legal weddings.

This is the only way to get around this issue. The state will very shortly FORCE churches to conduct these ceremonies unless they simply say “We don’t do them at all. We don’t do any legal weddings”

Christian couples should have a “Dedication Service” or a whatever they want to call their non-legal wedding and then live together in the eyes of the state but not God. Do weddings like the Quakers. The couple stands up at that by invitation only service and says “We’re married”

Simply remove the club from the secularist hand. Agree with them, marriage as a secular institution is dead. Then change the laws so that the tax system reflects that.


5 posted on 01/14/2014 9:58:37 PM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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The State did play a role though.


7 posted on 01/14/2014 10:12:48 PM PST by Republican1795.
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Many/most heteros don’t honor marriage either..
Judging by how many cheat on their wives and husbands..
or divorce them..

Givernment Marriage is a legal contract between two people...
Religious marriage is merely an oath.. enforced by givernment as if it was God..


8 posted on 01/14/2014 10:17:16 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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Who should we blame for gay ‘marriage’?
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well if youre looking for the first one to make SSM “legal” thus opening the door, that would be Willard when he was gov of MASS 12 years ago...


9 posted on 01/14/2014 10:27:36 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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Is this thread a repost?

Sex,drugs, and religious liberty

10 posted on 01/14/2014 10:52:28 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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The beginning of the rise of homosexuals in America to their near ruling status —coincides with roe v wade. They share the same moral system. Abortion and homosexuality are two sides of the same coin. People who believe in abortion also believe in homosexuality and vice versa. In a sense abortion serves as the sacrament for homosexuality.

Render abortion illegal and over time homosexuality will shrivel.


14 posted on 01/15/2014 1:15:23 AM PST by ckilmer
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If the law says that I, as a baker, must bake cakes for people or groups I find objectionable because what they do is legal, must I also bake cakes for Nazis? Say some Nazis walk in and want me to bake them a cake with a big swastika on it. Wouldn't I be obliged by law and the homosexual case to have to bake them that cake?

How about if I'm an African-American baker and some Klan members come in demanding I bake them a cake with a picture of a black man being lynched? Both Nazis and the Klan are legal groups. Wouldn't I have to bake cakes for them according to their wishes? How about sexual-fetish people? The list of disgusting but legal groups demanding identifying cakes baked for them could be enormous. Where as a citizen with rights of my own do I get to draw the line?

18 posted on 01/15/2014 4:52:01 AM PST by driftless2
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The thief is uncomfortable with the cop hold the flashlight for him.

The sinner believes his conscience will be unburdened when there is nobody causing him to reflect on his behavior.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 5:18:38 AM PST by G Larry
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The father of lies, working through fallen people.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 5:49:09 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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“Now, since the family and human society at large spring from marriage, these men will on no account allow matrimony to be the subject of the jurisdiction of the Church. Nay, they endeavor to deprive it of all holiness, and so bring it within the contracted sphere of those rights which, having been instituted by man, are ruled and administered by the civil jurisprudence of the community. Wherefore it necessarily follows that they attribute all power over marriage to civil rulers, and allow none whatever to the Church; and, when the Church exercises any such power, they think that she acts either by favor of the civil authority or to its injury. Now is the time, they say, for the heads of the State to vindicate their rights unflinchingly, and to do their best to settle all that relates to marriage according as to them seems good.”

Pope Leo XIII, 1880

To the state in the modern era marriage is simply going to be whatever judges, pols, or the voting majority thinks it is at any one time. That’s it, that’s all it ever was or will ever be as far as the state is concerned.

FReegards


25 posted on 01/15/2014 6:04:10 AM PST by Ransomed
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I blame us, society in general. we let it happen by being apathetic.


27 posted on 01/15/2014 6:58:58 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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