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To: Eleutheria5

I hate to agree with Dianne Feinstein, but I agree with Dianne Feinstein


5 posted on 01/15/2014 9:20:44 PM PST by slumber1 (Fortune favors the bold!)
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To: slumber1

So how’s about this: Don’t support Israel if we strike Iran, just stay the f@#$ out of the way and let us do what we must.


6 posted on 01/15/2014 9:37:35 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: slumber1
You're not alone there. The unquestioning adoration for Israel on this site can be a bit unnerving. They are our ally, for better or worse. I sympathize with their challenges and admire their toughness and their achievements. Israel is a nation that has aggressively spied on us and, at times of existential crises, even attacked our assets in hopes we'd blame their enemies (the Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty.)

It is one thing, and proper, to sign mutual defense treaties or have understandings of such with allied nations. It is quite another to put in writing that U.S. soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen will shed blood and be killed if a friendly nation decides to pre-emptively attack another nation. That goes for any friendly nation, not just Israel.

Israel has somewhere in the range of 200 nuclear weapons. It has one of the finest air forces on Earth, and probably the most effective intelligence operation in the Mossad. Israel receives billions of dollars of foreign military aid per year from the U.S. They are more than capable of both defending their country and, should they wish, inflicting crippling damage upon Iran in an offensive strike.

To put it lightly, I would defend my best friend no matter what if he is sucker punched in a bar. If he asked me to promise to back him up no matter what because he wants to sucker punch a smaller guy who ran his mouth a bit... that's a different situation.

7 posted on 01/15/2014 9:59:27 PM PST by Cap74 (You can disagree with me. You can attack me. Do not lie to me.)
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To: slumber1

Di Fi is lying about the bill. There is no automatic declaration of war.


17 posted on 01/16/2014 11:45:52 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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