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Kugelblitz! Powering a Starship With a Black Hole
space.com ^ | January 16, 2014 | Jeff Lee

Posted on 01/17/2014 7:17:49 AM PST by 12th_Monkey

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To: Bubba_Leroy

As long as 2 objects are in a state of *uniform relative motion* (no change of speed OR direction) the situation is totally reciprocal.


101 posted on 01/17/2014 3:51:29 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: 12th_Monkey
Hidden in Plain Sight by Dr. Andrew H Thomas. Ninety-nine cents on a Kindle. Pretty easy read, even though the author aims to reconcile relativity with quantum mechanics. His follow up book is okay, but I don't think he does as good a job as he is capable of, of explaining his idea. There are a few "loose ends" if you think about his proposal, but the proposal is fascinating in principle.
102 posted on 01/17/2014 3:58:09 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: ETL

Sorry to dumb down this thread. But in the case of Voyager I (and others), how come the gravity of the planet increases the speed of the craft as the craft approaches, but does not slow it down to its original speed after it passes. I suppose the momentum of the craft far outweighs the effects of gravity.

Amazing to me how in the case of Voyager I they can use the “slingshot” effect around numerous planets and get the angles and math correct so when it turns it is heading towards the next planet and within the parameters to make another turn, etc.


103 posted on 01/17/2014 4:08:08 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: InterceptPoint
-- Do we see this Spooky action for particles with mass? --

Yes. Electrons.

104 posted on 01/17/2014 4:12:00 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: 21twelve
-- Amazing to me how in the case of Voyager I they can use the "slingshot" effect around numerous planets and get the angles and math correct so when it turns it is heading towards the next planet and within the parameters to make another turn, etc. --

Course corrections are possible. The craft have small rocket engines to facilitate minor adjustments to make sure the next pass-by is lined up for the intended effect.

105 posted on 01/17/2014 4:14:20 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: 21twelve

Yes, it’s all in the timing and precise positioning. I’ve always visualized the gravitational slingshot effect as a planet briefly grabbing hold of a spacecraft, then flinging it outward.


106 posted on 01/17/2014 4:14:55 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cboldt

“This behavior is consistent with quantum theory, and has been demonstrated experimentally with photons, electrons, molecules the size of buckyballs,[8][9] and even small diamonds.[10][11]”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3112744/posts?page=100#100


107 posted on 01/17/2014 4:17:08 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
"This behavior is consistent with quantum theory, and has been demonstrated experimentally with photons, electrons, molecules the size of buckyballs,[8][9] and even small diamonds.[10][11]"

Well there goes my Nobel Prize in Physics.

I'm sure you have heard of this guy who made his mark looking into this phenomenon: John Bell

108 posted on 01/17/2014 4:22:36 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

Why certainly. Belle’s Theorem. I’ve been interested in this stuff for I think about 20 years now.


109 posted on 01/17/2014 4:27:49 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Re: As long as 2 objects are in a state of *uniform relative motion* (no change of speed OR direction) the situation is totally reciprocal.

ie, each sees the other’s clock ticking out time more slowly than his own, as each can rightfully claim THEY are stationary and the other moving. It’s only when energy is added into the system causing a change in motion or direction that this symmetry breaks. An object will continue in a straight line at a constant rate of motion (inertial motion) until acted upon by an outside force.


110 posted on 01/17/2014 4:37:21 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: InterceptPoint; Bubba_Leroy; SgtHooper; 12th_Monkey; GraceG; Cboldt
Here's something you might find interesting. I just came across it.

Wormholes

Entangling two black holes, then pulling them apart, forms a wormhole—essentially a “shortcut”—connecting them. Similarly looked at in terms of string theory, entangling two quarks does the same.[53][54]

These theoretical results support the theory that the laws of gravity are not fundamental, but instead arise from entanglement. While quantum mechanics correctly describes interactions at a microscopic level, it has not been able to explain gravity. A theory of quantum gravity would show that classical gravity is not fundamental, as Albert Einstein proposed, but rather emerges from a more basic, quantum-based phenomenon.[53]

The Schwinger effect creates two particles from a vacuum. Under an electric field, the particles can be “caught” before they disappear back into the vacuum. Once extracted, these particles are entangled. The entangled particles can be mapped in space-time, a four-dimensional space. In contrast, gravity is thought to exist in the fifth dimension as, according to Einstein’s laws, it acts to “bend” and shape space-time.[53]

Holographic duality is the principle says that all events in the fifth dimension are translatable into events in the other four.[55] It reveals that a wormhole is created along with the particles. More fundamentally, the results suggest that gravity and its ability to bend space-time emerge from entanglement.[53]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement#Wormholes

111 posted on 01/17/2014 6:23:44 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Al Sharpton finally has a useful purpose !


112 posted on 01/17/2014 6:34:20 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Cboldt

Thanks for the info!


113 posted on 01/17/2014 8:14:41 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: ETL
Well this is the line that caught my eye:

"While quantum mechanics correctly describes interactions at a microscopic level, it has not been able to explain gravity."

Gravity, the one thing the man on the street thinks he understands, continues to mystify the physicists. And me too. As far as I know, those famous Gravity Waves that Einstein and others believed in have never been detected.

Gravity, thou art a true mystery. At least for now.

114 posted on 01/17/2014 8:26:45 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: ETL

that is a very interesting idea


115 posted on 01/18/2014 4:44:33 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey

I mainly meant it was interesting because it specifically linked worm holes to what we were recently discussing here: quantum entanglement/”spooky action at a distance”. I never knew that the worm hole hypothesis, or whatever one calls it, was linked to quantum entanglement.


116 posted on 01/18/2014 5:13:24 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
An object will continue in a straight line at a constant rate of motion (inertial motion) until acted upon by an outside force.

Is this true for objects with no mass ?

117 posted on 01/18/2014 8:10:25 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: ETL

Yes, thats the first time I’ve heard of that too


118 posted on 01/18/2014 10:24:50 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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