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Physical punishment tied to aggression, hyperactivity
sun-sentinel.com ^ | January 17, 2014 | Kathleen Raven

Posted on 01/19/2014 5:30:35 AM PST by ilovesarah2012

Regardless of the culture a child lives in, corporal punishment may do lasting psychological harm, German researchers say.

In a new study conducted in Tanzania, where physical punishment is considered normal, primary school students who were beaten by teachers or family members in the name of discipline tended to show more behavior problems, not fewer, the researchers found.

"Parents aim to educate children through corporal punishment, but instead of learning good social behaviors, the beatings often have the opposite effect," said Tobias Hecker, a psychologist at the University of Konstanz, who led the study.

"Some people still believe, despite an overwhelming body of evidence, that corporal punishment in some cultures won't result in as many negative effects," George Holden told Reuters Health.

"But, as this study shows, it's difficult to find support for that argument," said Holden, a professor of psychology at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, who was not involved in the study.

Past research, mainly in industrialized countries, has found that children and teens who experience corporal punishment may "externalize" their negative experiences in the form of bad behavior and emotional problems, Hecker and his colleagues write in the journal Child Abuse & Neglect.

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1 posted on 01/19/2014 5:30:35 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
"Some people still believe, despite an overwhelming body of evidence, that corporal punishment in some cultures won't result in as many negative effects," George Holden told Reuters Health.

Count me among them.
2 posted on 01/19/2014 5:32:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Regardless of the culture a child lives in, corporal punishment may do lasting psychological good, I say

The woodshed has a place in American culture that still holds true today

Even the Bible says the blueness of the wound cleanseth the inward parts.

Go ahead ... take it up with the eternal FATHER.

3 posted on 01/19/2014 5:33:45 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: cripplecreek

There is a big difference between child abuse and a spanking. I don’t believe in causing injury to a child, but a good butt whipping never hurt anyone. Of course, this study being done in Tanzania may have had other issues.


4 posted on 01/19/2014 5:36:36 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: knarf

The problem is that in African-American society, corporal punishment means horrible abuse. Beatings of male children by single mothers create tremendous hatred towards women. During all my years in NYC, I was always shocked at how black mothers spoke to their young sons. You have to witness it to believe it.

Bill Cosby has been very good on this issue.


5 posted on 01/19/2014 5:37:08 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
The majority of children, 82 percent, had been beaten with sticks, belts or other objects and 66 percent had been punched, slapped or pinched. Nearly one-quarter of the kids had experienced punishment so severe that they were injured.

Let's not conflate the issues in this article with giving a child a smack on the rear.

6 posted on 01/19/2014 5:37:38 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: miss marmelstein
in African-American society, corporal punishment means horrible abuse

From the article, it seems as if this is also true in African society.

7 posted on 01/19/2014 5:39:03 AM PST by Tax-chick (Tell the mad chameleon he's not welcome anymore.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
primary school students who were beaten by teachers or family members in the name of discipline tended to show more behavior problems, not fewer, the researchers found.

And? Did they truly expect the kids who were not demonstrating behavior problems to be punished more than the kids who didn't?

8 posted on 01/19/2014 5:39:32 AM PST by jdege
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To: ilovesarah2012

1) Bullsqueeze.

2) This crap has been thoroughly debunked, yet the leftists continue to trot it out.


9 posted on 01/19/2014 5:41:51 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I’ve always seen it as more of a corrective attention getter. Its not about making it hurt, but more about drawing focus to the issue.

I’ve seen these people who try to reason with 4 year olds and they’re just making life harder for everybody in the long run.


10 posted on 01/19/2014 5:44:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Still bitterly clinging to God and guns?


11 posted on 01/19/2014 5:47:25 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: jdege

Well, your syntax is a little garbled, but I agree with what I think you’re saying. The authors of this study seem to think that the punishment causes the misbehavior, rather than the opposite.


12 posted on 01/19/2014 5:49:23 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: cripplecreek

I have three kids. When my oldest daughter was six (had twins 2 1/2 years younger), one day they were being particularly bad and I just had to walk away from them. My six year old came into the living room and said “mommy, sometimes we just need a whippin”. LOL Kids know they need boundaries and they need to know there are consequences to crossing those boundaries. This “time out” crap doesn’t teach them anything other than their parents are wimps.

I was never beaten or slapped but I got a few whippings, with a hand, sometimes a “switch”, but I learned to not do what I was doing again.

Kids are already so out of control that I can’t imagine what the next generation will be like.


13 posted on 01/19/2014 5:51:07 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
This "study" is not nearly as useful as presented, there are a number of problems with it.. For example:

He pointed out that the researchers did not measure the children's behavior before corporal punishment occurred.

Oop, perhaps, the children who received the worst punishment were those who were the worst behaved in the first place?

The more I read into the article, no more I realized it was a garbage study.

And note, I am NOT one who believes in beating kids, I have never even spanked mine. On that subject, I am fairly "liberal", but even so, this study is crap.

14 posted on 01/19/2014 5:52:26 AM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

I do think it would be important to understand the definition of corporal punishment. It is in not difficult to understand how a beating versus a smack on the rear are not the same.

I should also add, I have always believed that if you have to hit a kid repeatedly you suck as a parent.


15 posted on 01/19/2014 5:54:11 AM PST by pkmaine
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To: ilovesarah2012

>>In a new study conducted in Tanzania, where physical punishment is considered normal, primary school students who were beaten by teachers or family members in the name of discipline

Define “beaten”. I doubt that Tanzanians are just paddling their kids’ butt with an open hand or fly swatter.


16 posted on 01/19/2014 5:54:37 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: MrEdd

>>Still bitterly clinging to God and guns?

Bitterly clinging to God and guns and spankings!


17 posted on 01/19/2014 5:55:58 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Paradox

Most studies are crap but they’re entertaining. And again, there is a big difference between a spanking and a beating.

They need to study how children are treated by parents in other areas besides corporal punishment. I bet the parents who “beat” their kids aren’t very responsible parents in a lot of other ways as well.

I work with a woman (I won’t mention race) and she has two elementary age kids, boy and girl. Two different daddies. She picks them up from school and brings them into work for a little while every day. One day her daughter, maybe 7 years old, was trying to read a book. She was having difficulty and her mother said “you’re dumb as hell, you can’t even read”. I think that is much more damaging than a spanking.


18 posted on 01/19/2014 5:57:43 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: cripplecreek

This year we got new neighbors, including a 4 year old and a 6 year old daughters. They are super kids.

One evening I was in the garden and the six year old sidled up and asked me to help her get a switch. Her mother she said, sent her out side to get one to switch her bad sister.

Keeping a straight face I declined but was sort of amazed that there apparently some good solid Christian parents that consider a switch good discipline


19 posted on 01/19/2014 5:59:03 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Bryanw92

At the castle “Anthrax?”


20 posted on 01/19/2014 5:59:06 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I agree with Dr. Laura, a flaming Lefty:

A single smack on the butt to get a toddler’s attention is okay. And the reason for smacking them on the butt is that it hurts LESS and is safer than smacking them elsewhere.

A parent who spanks children is a parent who has run out of ideas.

A common problem with spanking is that it easily morphs from an intentional “punishment” to an outlet for a parent’s frustration and anger—and the self-deception in this is practically impenetrable. And the more spanking, the more rage in the child.

Spanking children is favored by morons.


21 posted on 01/19/2014 6:09:27 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: pkmaine

I absolutely agree with both of your points. I would add that there are some children who do not seem to respond to physical punishment, in which case the adult needs to figure out another strategy than to make the physical punishment more severe. The latter course gets into child abuse rather quickly.


22 posted on 01/19/2014 6:09:45 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: ilovesarah2012

Back to these young criminals — They probably were not spanked as babies; they certainly were not flogged for their crimes. The usual sentence was: for a first offence, a warning — a scolding, often without trial. After several offenses a sentence of confinement but with sentence suspended and the youngster placed on probation. A boy might be arrested may times and convicted several times before he was punished — and then it would be merely confinement, with others like him from whom he learned still more criminal habits. If he kept out of major trouble while confined, he could usually evade most of even that mild punishment, be given probation — ‘paroled’ in the jargon of the times.

“This incredible sequence could go on for years while his crimes increased in frequency and viciousness, with no punishment whatever save rare dull-but-comfortable confinements. Then suddenly, usually by law on his eighteenth birthday, this so-called ‘juvenile delinquent’ becomes an adult criminal — and sometimes wound up in only weeks or months in a death cell awaiting execution for murder.”

He had singled me out again. “Suppose you merely scolded your puppy, never punished him, let him go on making messes in the house ... and occasionally locked him up in an outbuilding but soon let him back into the house with a warning not to do it again. Then one day you notice that he is now a grown dog and still not housebroken — whereupon you whip out a gun and shoot him dead. Comment, please?”

“Why ... that’s the craziest way to raise a dog I ever heard of!”

“I agree. Or a child. Whose fault would it be?”

“Uh ... why, mine, I guess.”

“Again I agree. But I’m not guessing.”

“Mr. Dubois,” a girl blurted out, “but why? Why didn’t they spank little kids when they needed it and use a good dose of the strap on any older ones who deserved it — the sort of lesson they wouldn’t forget! I mean ones who did things really bad. Why not?”

“I don’t know,” he had answered grimly, “except that the time-tested method of instilling social virtue and respect for law in the minds of the young did not appeal to a pre-scientific pseudo-professional class who called themselves ‘social workers’ or sometimes ‘child psychologists.’ It was too simple for them, apparently, since anybody could do it, using only the patience and firmness needed in training a puppy. I have sometimes wondered if they cherished a vested interest in disorder — but that is unlikely; adults almost always act from conscious ‘highest motives’ no matter what their behavior.”

“But — good heavens!” the girl answered. “I didn’t like being spanked any more than any kid does, but when I needed it, my mama delivered. The only time I ever got a switching in school I got another one when I got home — and that was years and years ago. I don’t ever expect to be hauled up in front of a judge and sentenced to a flogging; you behave yourself and such things don’t happen. I don’t see anything wrong with our system; it’s a lot better than not being able to walk outdoors for fear of your life — why that’s horrible!”

“I agree. Young lady, the tragic wrongness of what those well-meaning people did, contrasted with what they thought they were doing, goes very deep. They had no scientifc theory of morals. They did have a theory of morals and they tried to live by it (I should not have sneered at their motives), but their theory was wrong — half of it fuzzy-headed wishful thinking, half of it rationalized charlatanry. The more earnest they were, the farther it led them astray. You see, they assumed that Man had a moral instinct.”

“Sir? I thought — But he does! I have.”

“No, my dear, you have a cultivated conscience, a most carefully trained one. Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not — and a puppy has none. We acquire moral sense, when we do, through training, experience, and hard sweat of the mind. These unfortunate juvenile criminals were born with none, even as you and I, and they had no chance to acquire any; their experiences did not permit it.

(”Starship Troopers” - Heinlein)


23 posted on 01/19/2014 6:13:03 AM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: miss marmelstein

My sister is a pediatrician/psychiatrist, and an expert on child abuse.

She has described to me what is all-too-typical among people of non-pallor. They allow a child to disobey over and over and over and over—and then they beat the kid half to death. This even occurs in public places like restaurants and laundromats. Experts call it something like “discipline by terror.”

Spanking persists in the world not because it is smart, or that it works. It exists because adults are bigger than children.

Spanking appears to be one of those subjects that draw the morons and sadists on FR out of the woodwork.


24 posted on 01/19/2014 6:14:54 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: ilovesarah2012

Completely ineffective, but fun for certain types of twisted perverts.


25 posted on 01/19/2014 6:14:56 AM PST by babble-on
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To: bert

Small swats when little tend to prevent big ones when they sre big is what I have heard.

My mother was never swatted. She was quite self centered.


26 posted on 01/19/2014 6:16:38 AM PST by amihow
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Spanking absolutely causes misbehavior.

It destroys the relationship between the child and parent.

It fills the child with fear and rage.

An angry, mistrustful child is a child who will misbehave.

I despise people who spank their children. They often get what they deserve from their children.


27 posted on 01/19/2014 6:17:21 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Morons may favor spanking, but that doesn’t mean the wise don’t apply it judiciously.


28 posted on 01/19/2014 6:20:09 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: cripplecreek

There is a difference between getting a beating just because it’s Monday and getting a spanking because a child really, really did something bad.

I can only recall two spankings (some might call them a beating) when I was a child. In both cases I was guilty as all get out and knew I was wrong before the spanking commenced.

And I never, ever repeated those mistakes while under my fathers roof.


29 posted on 01/19/2014 6:23:07 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Physical punishment tied to me doing what I was told.....


30 posted on 01/19/2014 6:28:48 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Every day in the NYC papers there is a story of a child - usually a male - scalded to death in a bathtub for bad behavior. Al Sharpton certainly doesn’t care!

And, you’re right, nothing brings out kooks like this subject. The only other subject I can think of that brings out the kooks is the story of some poor lazy, disgusting, unintelligent slob without an engineering degree on Unemployment because of the Obama economy.


31 posted on 01/19/2014 6:29:46 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
The researcher may have cause and effect inverted. The New York Times's Fox Butterfield used to say the same kind of thing:

Butterfield is the eponym for "The Butterfield Effect", used to refer to a person who "makes a statement that is ludicrous on its face, yet it reveals what the speaker truly believes", especially if expressing a supposed paradox when a causal relationship should be obvious.[6] The particular article that sparked this was titled "More Inmates, Despite Drop In Crime" by Butterfield in the New York Times on November 8, 2004.[7]

32 posted on 01/19/2014 6:31:27 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: bert

Charming story, Bert.


33 posted on 01/19/2014 6:32:04 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Working around a lot of teens, I’ve noticed the opposite.

Granted, there is a huge difference between a “spanking” and a “beating.”


34 posted on 01/19/2014 6:35:43 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: ilovesarah2012

um...

so they noticed that kids that gets disciplined have more discipline problems?

lol

OF COURSE! Otherwise why were they being disciplined in the first place!

These researchers have cause and effect all messed up.


35 posted on 01/19/2014 6:37:04 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Broad-brush much? As several posters (including yourself) have pointed out, there are all sorts of “spankings”, with all sorts of attitudes and motives involved. A single corrective swat on the fundament is not the same as a savage beating given in anger, nor will the two produce the same effect on the child.


36 posted on 01/19/2014 6:37:20 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: ilovesarah2012

Absolute crock of bullshit.

in the 40’s 50 and some of the 60’s our society used spankings etc to teach children how to behave. School shootings? ZERO... Number of kids committing suicide because of bullying? Very few if any...
The past few decades. No spanking. No punishment at all for most things. School shootings dozens, Suicides from bullying dozens.
Take you crap studies and shove them back up where they belong..........


37 posted on 01/19/2014 6:38:53 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

I pointed that out, too.


38 posted on 01/19/2014 6:42:10 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: miss marmelstein

There are several other subjects that bring out the Neanderthals. Capital punishment is one. A favorite posting I remember here on FR: complaining because someone about to be executed was allowed to see a priest, and went to confession. It was “cheating,” because the purpose of the death penalty is to send criminals to Hell.


39 posted on 01/19/2014 6:47:14 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Absolute crock of bullshit.

in the 40’s 50 and some of the 60’s our society used spankings etc to teach children how to behave. School shootings? ZERO... Number of kids committing suicide because of bullying? Very few if any...
The past few decades. No spanking. No punishment at all for most things. School shootings dozens, Suicides from bullying dozens.
Take you crap studies and shove them back up where they belong..........

Agreed. Per capita violent crime has more than doubled since 1960. It's only because of advances in emergency room care via combat medicine that murder rates have gone down a little. That's no comfort to the victims who are maimed for life:

United States Crime Index Rates Per 100,000 Inhabitants






Forcible 
Aggravated 
Larceny-  Vehicle 
Year  Population  Total  Violent  Property  Murder  Rape  Robbery  assault  Burglary  Theft  Theft 
1960  179,323,175  1,887.2  160.9  1,726.3  5.1  9.6  60.1  86.1  508.6  1,034.7  183.0 
1961  182,992,000  1,906.1  158.1  1,747.9  4.8  9.4  58.3  85.7  518.9  1,045.4  183.6 
1962  185,771,000  2,019.8  162.3  1,857.5  4.6  9.4  59.7  88.6  535.2  1,124.8  197.4 
1963  188,483,000  2,180.3  168.2  2,012.1  4.6  9.4  61.8  92.4  576.4  1,219.1  216.6 
1964  191,141,000  2,388.1  190.6  2,197.5  4.9  11.2  68.2  106.2  634.7  1,315.5  247.4 
1965  193,526,000  2,449.0  200.2  2,248.8  5.1  12.1  71.7  111.3  662.7  1,329.3 256.8 
1966  195,576,000  2,670.8  220.0  2,450.9  5.6  13.2  80.8  120.3  721.0  1,442.9  286.9 
1967  197,457,000  2,989.7  253.2  2,736.5  6.2  14.0  102.8  130.2  826.6  1,575.8  334.1 
1968  199,399,000  3,370.2  298.4  3,071.8  6.9  15.9  131.8  143.8  932.3  1,746.6  393.0 
1969  201,385,000  3,680.0  328.7  3,351.3  7.3  18.5  148.4  154.5  984.1  1,930.9  436.2 
1970  203,235,298  3,984.5  363.5  3,621.0  7.9  18.7  172.1  164.8  1,084.9  2,079.3  456.8 
1971  206,212,000  4,164.7  396.0  3,768.8  8.6  20.5  188.0  178.8  1,163.5  2,145.5  459.8 
1972  208,230,000  3,961.4  401.0  3,560.4  9.0  22.5  180.7  188.8  1,140.8  1,993.6  426.1 
1973  209,851,000  4,154.4  417.4  3,737.0  9.4  24.5  183.1  200.5 1,222.5  2,071.9  442.6 
1974  211,392,000  4,850.4  461.1  4,389.3  9.8  26.2  209.3  215.8  1,437.7  2,489.5  462.2 
1975  213,124,000  5,298.5  487.8  4,810.7  9.6  26.3  220.8  231.1  1,532.1  2,804.8  473.7 
1976  214,659,000  5,287.3  467.8  4,819.5  8.7  26.6  199.3  233.2  1,448.2  2,921.3  450.0 
1977  216,332,000  5,077.6  475.9  4,601.7  8.8  29.4  190.7  247.0  1,419.8  2,729.9  451.9
1978  218,059,000  5,140.4  497.8  4,642.5  9.0  31.0  195.8  262.1  1,434.6  2,747.4  460.5 
1979  220,099,000  5,565.5  548.9  5,016.6  9.8  34.7  218.4  286.0  1,511.9  2,999.1  505.6 
1980  225,349,264  5,950.0  596.6  5,353.3  10.2  36.8  251.1  298.5  1,684.1  3,167.0  502.2 
1981  229,146,000  5,858.2  594.3  5,263.8  9.8  36.0  258.7  289.7  1,649.5  3,139.7  474.7 
1982  231,534,000  5,603.7  571.1  5,032.5  9.1  34.0  238.9  289.1  1,488.8  3,084.9  458.9 
1983  233,981,000  5,175.0  537.7  4,637.3  8.3  33.7  216.5  279.2  1,337.7  2,869.0  430.8 
1984  236,158,000  5,031.3  539.2  4,492.1  7.9  35.7  205.4  290.2  1,263.7  2,791.3  437.1 
1985  238,740,000  5,207.1  556.6  4,650.5  8.0  37.1  208.5  302.9  1,287.3  2,901.2  462.0 
1986  240,132,887  5,480.4  620.1  4,881.8  8.6  38.1  226.0  347.4  1,349.8  3,022.1  509.8 
1987  243,400,000  5,550.0  609.7  4,940.3  8.3  37.4  212.7  351.3  1,329.6 3,081.3  529.5 
1988  245,807,000  5,664.2  637.2  5,027.1  8.4  37.6  220.9  370.2  1,309.2  3,134.9  582.9 
1989  248,239,000  5,741.0  663.1  5,077.9  8.7  38.1  233.0  383.4  1,276.3  3,171.3  630.4 
1990  248,709,873  5,820.3  731.8  5,088.5  9.4  41.2  257.0  424.1  1,235.9  3,194.8  657.8 
1991  252,177,000  5,897.8  758.1  5,139.7  9.8  42.3  272.7  433.3  1,252.0  3,228.8  658.9 
1992  255,082,000  5,660.2  757.5  4,902.7  9.3  42.8  263.6  441.8  1,168.2  3,103.0  631.5 
1993  257,908,000  5,484.4  746.8  4,737.7  9.5  41.1  255.9  440.3  1,099.2  3,032.4  606.1 
1994  260,341,000  5,373.5  713.6  4,660.0  9.0  39.3  237.7  427.6  1,042.0  3,026.7  591.3 
1995  262,755,000  5,274.9  684.5  4,591.3  8.2  37.1  220.9  418.3  987.1  3,043.8  560.4 
1996  265,284,000  5,087.6  636.6  4,451.0  7.4  36.3  201.9  390.9  945.0  2,980.3  525.7 
1997  267,637,000  4,927.3  611.0  4,316.3  6.8  35.9  186.1  382.1  919.6  2,891.8  505.7 
1998  270,296,000  4,615.5  566.4  4,049.1  6.3  34.4  165.2  360.5  862.0  2,728.1  459.0 
1999  272,690,813  4,266.5  523.0 3,743.6  5.7  32.8  150.1  334.3  770.4 2,550.7  422.5 
2000  281,421,906  4,124.8 506.5  3,618.3  5.5  32.0 145.0 324.0  728.8  2,477.3 412.2 
2001 285,317,559
4,162.6 504.5 3,658.1  5.6  31.8  148.5  318.6  741.8  2,485.7  430.5 
2002  287,973,924
4,125.0 494.4 3,630.6  5.6  33.1  146.1  309.5  747.0  2,450.7  432.9 
2003  290,690,788
4,067.0 475.8  3,591.2 5.7  32.3 142.5  295.4  741.0  2,416.5 433.7 
2004  293,656,842
3,977.3 463.2  3,514.1  5.5  32.4  136.7  288.6  730.3  2,362.3  421.5 
2005  296,507,061 3,900.5 469.0  3,431.5  5.6  31.8  140.8  290.8  726.9  2,287.8  416.8
2006  299,398,484 3,808.1 473.6  3,334.5  5.7  30.9 149.4  287.5  729.4  2,206.8  398.4
2007  301,621,157 3,730.4 466.9  3,263.5  5.6  30.0 147.6  283.8  722.5  2,177.8  363.3
2008  304,374,846 3,669.0 457.5  3,211.5  5.4  29.7 145.7  276.7  732.1  2,167.0  314.7
2009  307,006,550 3,465.5 431.9 3,036.1  5.0  29.1 133.1 264.7  717.7  2,064.5  259.2
2010 309,330,219 3,350.4 404.5 2,945.9 4.8 27.7 119.3 252.8 701.0 2,005.8 239.1
2011 311,587,816 3,292.5 387.1 2,905.4 4.7 27.0 113.9 241.5 701.3 1,974.1 230.0
2012 313,914,040 3,246.1 386.9 2,859.2 4.7 26.9 112.9 242.3 670.2 1,959.3 229.7

40 posted on 01/19/2014 6:50:55 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

the Tanzanians beat the kids, it is abusive, hitting them on the head, all kinds of cruelty

we see it here in the states when the neighbors hotline the African immigrants for child abuse


41 posted on 01/19/2014 6:51:09 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Arthur McGowan
You obviously have no children (or soon to be grown brats out of control)

Spanking is an essential tool (among others) to raising good kids, and if done right is hardly ever needed after the age of about 6. Oh, and by the way my kids (4 of them) love me to death and take every opportunity to love on me, kiss and cuddle with me.

I get unsolicited comments from total strangers all the time on how well behaved my children are. A child properly disciplined when young will hardly ever need to be spanked beyond the age of about 6-7 (they threat alone will suffice).

I have had several relatives with older children try to get me to take in their teenage delinquents and I wanted nothing to do with that idea. It's too late by then! If they don't understand right and wrong, discipline and punishment by about 7-8 your screwed.

42 posted on 01/19/2014 6:52:41 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: miss marmelstein

you are right, I have heard a black mother say something like “I am going to break him”

also the idea in the black community that it is acceptable to beat kids with an extension cord really outrages me

I have considered purchasing a billboard with a picture of an electric cord and a four year old stating “it’s child abuse”


43 posted on 01/19/2014 6:53:54 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: clee1

you don’t know what you’re talking about


44 posted on 01/19/2014 6:54:45 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I totally agree with you


45 posted on 01/19/2014 6:58:40 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I have had several relatives with older children try to get me to take in their teenage delinquents and I wanted nothing to do with that idea. It's too late by then! If they don't understand right and wrong, discipline and punishment by about 7-8 your screwed.

I'm not even sure it has much to do with moral reasoning. Humans, like all animals, are creatures of habit. The point of spanking is to prevent children from forming bad habits, of thought and behavior, that they will take with them into adulthood - habits that will impair their future success or even their ability to function in society.

46 posted on 01/19/2014 7:01:19 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Physical punishment tied to aggression, hyperactivity

What is wrong with aggression and hyperactivity? Aggressive, hyperactive people forge empires and build civilizations.

47 posted on 01/19/2014 7:08:39 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
A common problem with spanking is that it easily morphs from an intentional “punishment” to an outlet for a parent’s frustration and anger—and the self-deception in this is practically impenetrable. And the more spanking, the more rage in the child.

Quite right. I have three children (2 full grown) and, I think, they have been spanked a combined total of 5 times, maybe 8-10 swats in all. In each case it was over a safety issue. A child who kept letting himself out of the house is one I remember.

I hate to spank my children. But I think it needs to be available when it is an eye opener for the child whose behavior is putting him in danger. It can only be an eye opener when it is out of the ordinary. Routine spanking eliminates any positive that may come from using them.

48 posted on 01/19/2014 7:10:24 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: ilovesarah2012
In a new study conducted in Tanzania, where physical punishment is considered normal, primary school students who were beaten by teachers or family members in the name of discipline tended to show more behavior problems, not fewer, the researchers found.

Don't these people have cause and effect a bit turned around?

49 posted on 01/19/2014 7:10:43 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Flick Lives

your story is total bullsh8

the Bible says the laws of God are written in our hearts

Jeremiah 31:33

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, after those days, saith the Lord: I will give my law in their bowels, and I will write it in their heart: and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


50 posted on 01/19/2014 7:22:29 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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