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If You Hate Your Kids, Send Them to Public School
Townhall.com ^ | January 19, 2014 | Doug Giles

Posted on 01/20/2014 11:00:32 AM PST by Kaslin

Y’know, when I was a wee lad growing up in West Texas, public schools weren’t all that bad. We started our day off with the pledge of allegiance, said prayers during football games, actually studied our nation’s founding docs, sang patriotic songs, and we celebrated the true meaning of both Christmas and Easter.

In addition to that pro-American bliss, nearly everyone and their dog graduated. It’s true. Dogs were actually graduating from school back then. I know. Weird, eh?

Indeed, out of our large graduating class there was only one drop out and that was my childhood buddy who left school to join the Banditos’ motorcycle gang. He had a tattoo before tats became hip and groovy, ubiquitous and virulently narcissistic. (Speaking of tattoos: Girls … if you’re going to get a cute butterfly inked into your shoulder, you must make the general public a promise that you will not gain 600lbs later in life and have that blue moth morph into a massive, faded condor that we all have to stare at. If that’s too much to ask, then please cease to wear tube-tops so we don’t have to gawk at that muted, colored vulture on your enormous back. Deal? Deal. Anyway, back to the good old days …)

When our parents dumped us off at school, they weren’t riddled with fear that our schoolmarms were going to morph us into domestic terrorists who think Che Guevera is the bomb. Our folks also knew that sexed-up teachers wouldn’t teach kinky weirdness to their twelve-year-olds. No, if their kids were going to learn about sex it would be done in the traditional way via their older brothers and their Playboy magazine stash in the alley behind the house.

Today, as far as public schools are concerned, it’s a veritable loaded-dice roll regarding how your kids will come out after spending eight hours a day with our “educators“. More than likely, Dad, unless you’re Bill Ayers, Khalid Sheik Mohammed or Russell Brand, you’re not going to be too pleased with what the public schools do with your kids’ noggins.

This week, a story surfaced about the father of a thirteen-year-old girl who got righteously ticked when his daughter showed him a pic of what the loons were lacing his dear daughter’s curriculum with. Check it out:

The father of a 13 year-old girl who was upset by a classroom poster that listed sex acts was shocked to hear that the poster is part of her school’s health and science curriculum.

As local Fox News affiliate in Kansas, fox4kc.com, reported Tuesday, Mark Ellis said his daughter, a student at Hocker Grove Middle school in the Shawnee Mission School District, was “shocked” by what she saw on a poster on a classroom wall in school. Ellis said his daughter took a picture of the poster and showed her parents.

Originally, Ellis assumed the poster to be a student prank, until he called the school and discovered it was part of the curriculum.

Why would you put it in front of 13 year-old students? He asked.

The poster, entitled, “How Do People Express Their Sexual Feelings?” lists sex acts such as: Oral Sex, Sexual Fantasy, Caressing, Anal Sex, Dancing, Hugging, Touching Each Other’s Genitals, Kissing, Grinding, and Masturbation.

Ellis said after being told by the school principal the poster was “teaching material,” he is now concerned about what his daughter is being taught in school.

I’ve got two words for that poster being put out by a public school to 13-year-olds: they are “holy” and “guacamole”.

Man, when I was thirteen I had no real idea what sex was. I thought it consisted of my mom and dad wrestling with their shirts off. At least that’s what it looked like when they didn’t lock the door that one Friday night that, try as I may, I’ll never forget.

Sure, as a young pubescent boy I was attracted to girls. But we did normal things back then to show our interest in the opposite sex like: pull the girl’s hair, or jump a tall ramp on our Huffy while they watched, or suck milk through straws shoved up our nostrils. Y’know … something to show our prowess. It was cave man stuff.

Now, certainly the aforementioned wasn’t pretty or too suave, but it never came into to our minds that if we wanted to show we had feelings for a fair lass we should do it via anal sex. But that’s what is being taught at frickin’ Hocker Grove Middle School.

Good Lord, parents. You gotta take reins of your kids’ brains and bodies and rip them out of the hands of these bastions of banality, communism and overt sexualization.

Do it now, before it’s too late.


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1 posted on 01/20/2014 11:00:32 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

What passes for education in public schools is nothing short of child abuse.

And they have no respect for the parents at all.


2 posted on 01/20/2014 11:04:18 AM PST by marron
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To: marron

You said it


3 posted on 01/20/2014 11:05:57 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Nothing good can ever come of what the schools are doing to our children.


4 posted on 01/20/2014 11:06:08 AM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: Kaslin
I remember when public schools weren't so bad either, relatively speaking. Which is odd because at the time (1970s), public schools were perceived to be falling apart - reference "Welcome Back Kotter" and that sitcom portrayed my urban public school at the time pretty accurately.

Breakfast Club it wasn't.

We even had a dog graduate with us but then again, that golden retriever graduated with the class every year it was alive - it was the school's adopted mascot, a stray taken in by one of the janitors around 1977, and it had the freedom to wander the halls and classrooms at will - something that would never be allowed today because some kid's mother would complain about her kid having some dog allergy or whatnot.

Anyway, whether you choose to send your kids to public school or private school, the responsibility for teaching your kids resides with you, the parent. From what I'm hearing, private schools might be better structured academically but they are still infested with the same politically correct nonsense as the public schools. Even in private school, you will have to deal with peanut butter bans, books about "two mommies" and a complete ban on all things Christmas - unless maybe you happen to be enrolled in a parochial Catholic school.

5 posted on 01/20/2014 11:12:46 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Kaslin

While truly offensive, the sex poster pales in comparison to the LGBT tolerance day lecture at Tufts that taught students the alleged pleasure of fisting and advised young people to be prepared to experiment by carrying a supply of condoms, when you go to the park to look for like minded partners.

I have to wonder if that Tufts LGBT confab is still taking place for local high school students.


6 posted on 01/20/2014 11:14:33 AM PST by Eva
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To: Kaslin

Even the suburban school districts are lousy. But doughy suburban house fraus don’t send their kids to actually learn useful skills. They send them there to play sports and be in clubs. If any actual learning happens that’s just a bonus. If that government institution wasn’t soaking up 10 to 12 hours a day of their spawns’ time they might have to do a little hands on parenting and spend some quality time with the little bastards, and we can’t have that, can we? Hard to blame those parents. I mean have you met any of the kids they whelped out? Those miscreants are horrible people. They whine and pout and just want to play with their phones.


7 posted on 01/20/2014 11:22:08 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: marron

Unfortunately, most parents cannot afford private school and because they were public skule educated themselves, they are not literate enough to home school.


8 posted on 01/20/2014 11:23:56 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Kaslin

I used to think giving vouchers to kids in bad schools so they could go to private schools was the answer. Not anymore. Most of the kids in bad schools are troublemakers. In my experience, surrounding bad students with good students doesn’t make the bad student better. Just the opposite. The bad student/troublemaker makes the good students bad. Like a barrel of apples. Drop a rotten apple in the barrel and it’s not long before the whole barrel is rotten. Flooding private schools with bad students in the hope they will change will destroy private schools.


9 posted on 01/20/2014 11:28:23 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: Orangedog
They whine and pout and just want to play with their phones.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 11:29:05 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: marron
What surprises me is, who doesn't know this already in this day and age? And the people who say "my kid's school isn't like that"-don't they understand that every public school is like that, as being under the guidance of the fed gov and a teachers union which is ideologically in sync with the left?

Parochial schools aren't even immune anymore. Catholic schools are adopting the horrendous "Common Core" curriculum.

Homeschooling is the only way. Plus, when freedoms aren't used, they have a bad way of being creepingly taken away by the fed gov. We need more people to homeschool.
11 posted on 01/20/2014 11:29:30 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SamAdams76
do not buy the kids a smart phone


12 posted on 01/20/2014 11:30:14 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: marron
And they have no respect for the parents at all.

Everyone in our family, including the elders, learned that when one of the cousins married a public school teacher. She made it very clear that any disagreement with her whatsoever, even by her very respectable long-suffering parents-in-law, was not only wrong, it was immoral. When they died, the family broke up rather than continue to put up with her.

13 posted on 01/20/2014 11:32:00 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’m not sure a dedicated parent would do any worse than most public schools these days. What do kids learn anyway in many public achools, between the leftist, pervert indoctrination and the schools’ inability to discipline disruptive, trouble-making students?


14 posted on 01/20/2014 11:32:14 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: chessplayer

I agree. I have totally changed my mind about vouchers after considering the matter more and reading about some of the potential ramifications. I believe that that’s why the elite on the left have opposed them all along, but they of course would never put it in those terms.


15 posted on 01/20/2014 11:34:23 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Kaslin

I hated public school.


16 posted on 01/20/2014 11:34:45 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade
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To: SamAdams76

My kids are in a non-denominational, private Christian school. It’s not cheap but it’s an old-school education. Reading, writing, arithmetic, civics, religion, phys ed, etc. it’s not cheap but it’s worth it.


17 posted on 01/20/2014 11:36:32 AM PST by hometoroost
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I know idiots that home school. They put a tape in and the kids sit and watch. I would have to say that in this type of economic environment most people have to work therefor cannot home school. Private school in my area runs around 24k per year. I put one child in a private high school and it has wiped us out. I have a 10 year old. I hope I can do the same for her. But hey I am an idiot from the Yonkers public school system so who knows.
18 posted on 01/20/2014 11:37:34 AM PST by angcat
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To: angcat

I send my daughter to private school also. I was lucky enough to find a Christian school affiliated with a church and I only have to pay about $7500 per year for tuition. They work hard to keep the tuition affordable but several of my daughter’s friends still have had to drop out for financial reasons.


19 posted on 01/20/2014 11:46:28 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Kaslin

Not all public schools are bad, some of them are still doing a decent job for the most part. Here in S.C. Indiana they even still walk the 3rd grade kids to a church every week during school day for a non-secular religion class. Those who don’t want to can opt out and stay in the classroom. They also still say a prayer before lunch here, but they call it anything but that of course. The kindergarten teacher all my kids had still does it before snack time as well. A big reason I moved to a rural part of the state to get away from all of this that I read here about other public school districts and what they have to put up with.

Of course we have the lowlife idiots like everywhere else, but for the most part it isn’t tolerated when they disturb the kids who are there to learn like other places. They also don’t, or at least I haven’t seen any sign of it, pull that liberal crap about gays or global warming or any of the other big issues. This poster mentioned in the article? That teacher would have been run out of this town tarred and feathered if they tried that here, good grief half the town would have shown up with pitchforks if that was in our local paper I think.


20 posted on 01/20/2014 11:48:33 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: mrsmel

True, a dedicated and reasonably intelligent could do at least as well as publick skule in academia and much better in morality. My wife and I took our middle two out of public school and home schooled them because of the negative atmosphere to learning there.


21 posted on 01/20/2014 11:49:02 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Kaslin

I went to PS 41 and PS 76 in the Bronx NY back in the 50’s learned a lot. Some of my friends went to PS 113 also in the Bronx. Heard of many horror stories there. My parents had the good sense to move to Northern NJ before I started High School. Had a great education in the Bergen County public HS system.


22 posted on 01/20/2014 11:53:43 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Kaslin
My children attended public school and I am very well aware of the problems. I could tell you stories about incompetent teachers, gangs and other problems. But a lot of it depends on your kids.

My kids took a/p and college classes in high school. They have since graduated from college and they have good jobs. They are not perfect by any means but they never got involved with gangs or bad people, never got pregnant, never took drugs etc.

A lot of it is the values you teach your kids. If you teach them to be strong, self-reliant and moral they can do ok.

23 posted on 01/20/2014 11:56:59 AM PST by detective
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24 posted on 01/20/2014 11:57:34 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: chessplayer
Flooding private schools with bad students in the hope they will change will destroy private schools.

Except private schools can kick their butt out if they are troublemakers.

25 posted on 01/20/2014 11:59:53 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: GeronL

LOL...yes get them an Old Skool phone


26 posted on 01/20/2014 12:02:19 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: Starstruck

Unfortunately a lot of private schools do not kick out belligerent students...no student no $$. Even worse is when the kids parents are big contributors to the school or church

Homeschool is best way


27 posted on 01/20/2014 12:06:31 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
My church contributed nothing to my tuition and it was a Catholic High School. That is why I am very sour to my church they torture us for 8 years with religious instructions and communion and confirmation and help with nothing towards the private school. Also I know plenty of other “educated” folks that live in big mansions and drive fancy cars and sent their kids to the Hazleton Public High School. As long as they can have all their material items they could care less about the education of their children.
28 posted on 01/20/2014 12:10:50 PM PST by angcat
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To: SeminoleCounty
a lot of private schools do not kick out belligerent students...no student no $$

just like a public school?

29 posted on 01/20/2014 12:11:08 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SamAdams76

re: Anyway, whether you choose to send your kids to public school or private school, the responsibility for teaching your kids resides with you, the parent. From what I’m hearing, private schools might be better structured academically but they are still infested with the same politically correct nonsense as the public schools.

I totally agree. Regardless of how your kids are educated, the primary responsibility is “you”. An uninvolved parent, especially these days, is a recipe for problems. Parents with children in schools (whether they are public or private) need to be aware of the curriculum being taught and be able and willing to help their kids as needed. There are incompetent teachers in private as well as public schools. I can personally testify to that. The big shocker to me now is how much the Catholic schools have accepted an adopted the Common Core curriculum. I saw some lessons recently from a second grade class that appeared to me to be laying the foundation for promoting Marxism.


30 posted on 01/20/2014 12:17:16 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: Kaslin
Most middle class to upper class families are getting exactly what they want out of school, but the damage comes at the margins. Both the marginal families/students and the marginal qualitative difference at the top between what those mid to upper class families are getting.

Have you seen this?

Most students—whether A students, C students, or failing ones—have lost their zest for learning by the time they’ve reached middle school or high school. In a telling research study, professors Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi and Jeremy Hunter fitted more than 800 sixth through 12th graders, from 33 different schools across the country, with special wristwatches that emitted a signal at random times of day. Each time they received a signal, the students filled out a questionnaire indicating where they were, what they were doing, and how happy or unhappy they felt at the moment. The lowest levels of happiness, by far, were reported when the children were in school, where they were often bored, anxious, or both. Other researchers have shown that, with each successive grade, students develop increasingly negative attitudes toward the subjects taught, especially math and science.

As a society, we tend to shrug off such findings. We’re not surprised that kids are unhappy in school. Some people even believe that the very unpleasantness of school is good for children, so they will learn to tolerate unpleasantness as preparation for real life. But there are plenty of opportunities to learn to tolerate unpleasantness without adding unpleasant schooling to the mix. Research has shown that people of all ages learn best when they are self-motivated, pursuing answers to questions that reflect their personal interests and achieving goals that they’ve set for themselves. Under such conditions, learning is usually joyful.

Is the American School System Damaging Our Kids?

31 posted on 01/20/2014 12:19:14 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: marron

It becomes easier to understand the phenomenon if you call it kie it is: GOVERNMENT schools.


32 posted on 01/20/2014 12:20:52 PM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: angcat

My church contributes nothing either. The school is small and is self sustaining.


33 posted on 01/20/2014 12:23:56 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: chessplayer
In my experience, surrounding bad students with good students doesn’t make the bad student better. Just the opposite

As the saying goes, when you mix dirty water with clear water you get dirty water.

34 posted on 01/20/2014 1:08:24 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (itYe)
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To: Orangedog; mrsmel; GeronL; Albion Wilde; StoneWall Brigade; hometoroost; angcat; duckman; ...

“But doughy suburban house fraus don’t send their kids to actually learn useful skills. They send them there to play sports and be in clubs.”

Yeah, early networking; half the issue I was pushed to go to school (instead of homeschooling) to high school was because my parents wanted me ‘well socialized’. The House Fraus are the ones screeching about how their precious spud has one allergy after another and blame the school if their little darlings commit crimes like harassment or extreme bullying and file lawsuits if their angel-kins does not get a position on the cheer-leading squad. How many of these pampered brats become complete hippies or commit school shootings?


35 posted on 01/20/2014 2:04:24 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister
half the issue I was pushed to go to school (instead of homeschooling) to high school was because my parents wanted me ‘well socialized’.

Funny you should say that. That's what I thought. But since then, I've realized that the kids I knew who were homeschooled or who went to private schools hosted by local churches were much more at ease dealing with adults, and had much less of the proverbial "chip on shoulder" that you expect from teenagers. Still teens, still kids, but more sane.

That's when I realized that this is the right answer: if you can, get your kids out of public schools. Grandparents, you may have to help.

36 posted on 01/20/2014 3:02:04 PM PST by marron
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To: angcat

I was left to fend with four kids, 720 in child support and I continued to homeschool them. It can be done.


37 posted on 01/20/2014 3:13:13 PM PST by Chickensoup (V)
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To: marron

You know, having a regular job is what socialized me the best about boundaries and what was and what wasn’t appropriate.

The real issue I have, is how a lot of parents moan about not being rich, but the real problem is a lack of being resourceful. With the internet and the right kind of structure, along with technical skill training (some courses don’t require a high school diploma) and well developed professional connections, a person can go anywhere.

The real problem with public schools is that the teachers are forced to be a variety of things, but at the same time, don’t know a THING about the subject they are supposed to teach. Another issue is that parents want their spud to be pampered and protected and coddled (allergies for example) and refuse to let the teachers and other faculty in doing their job in keeping an ordered classroom/school.

Really, it’s no wonder kids are mixed up. It’s not mothers working outside the home, but parents unwilling to understand that school is also about their kids being self-sufficient. It’s about teaching kids to start looking after themselves academically.


38 posted on 01/20/2014 5:13:42 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: mrsmel

Good point; they learn nothing because the troublemakers are allowed to run wild.


39 posted on 01/20/2014 5:14:55 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Kaslin

I’m often amazed how so many FReepers think nothing of slandering 99% of other FReepers.


40 posted on 01/20/2014 5:25:40 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: workerbee
so many FReepers think nothing of slandering 99% of other FReepers.

FR has changed a lot in the past decade.

I think a lot of it is brought on by frustration realizing the painful descent of the Republic into the cesspool of progressive elite control.

41 posted on 01/20/2014 5:30:04 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: workerbee

99%? That’s a little bit extreme. You might as well say 99.5%


42 posted on 01/20/2014 7:21:15 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Good point. Character is an important part of true education, and most public schools are antithetical to learning good character.

And the people who worry about “socialization”-who wants their children socialized by a group of their age peers, a good many of whom will be conducive to negative “socialization”?

43 posted on 01/21/2014 7:19:52 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Yes, and thanks to directives from this administration, it’s about to get even worse.


44 posted on 01/21/2014 7:20:36 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: metmom; wintertime

Indeed.


45 posted on 03/22/2014 2:19:00 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: Kaslin; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

46 posted on 03/22/2014 2:35:19 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Abathar

Not all public schools are bad,..
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, they are bad.

ALL government owned and run K-12 schools are godless in their philosophic worldview and curriculum ( by law.) The children who attend must learn to think and reason godlessly just to cooperate while in the godless classroom. That is more than bad. It is EVIL!

ALL government owned and run K012 schools are single-payer socialist entitlements. The children risk learning that the same voting mob that gives them tuition free schooling is also powerful enough to give them **lots** of socialist “free” stuff. This, too, is not only bad, it is EVIL!


47 posted on 03/22/2014 2:54:50 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: workerbee
I’m often amazed how so many FReepers think nothing of slandering 99% of other FReepers.
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If the truth sucks, too bad!

48 posted on 03/22/2014 2:58:23 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: marron

Mine is in Beverly Vista public school and it seems fine so far to me.


49 posted on 03/22/2014 3:03:31 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: wintertime
So you believe that most FReepers hate their children? Hate their children? Yes or no.
50 posted on 03/22/2014 4:17:26 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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