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U.S. Army’s elite Special Forces train with local cops in a secretive joint exercise
BenSwann.com ^ | January 21, 2014 | Ben Swann

Posted on 01/22/2014 9:43:24 AM PST by Altariel

Unwarranted NSA surveillance, the passage of NDAA, stop and frisk programs, and the rise of warrior cops, have essentially turned America into a centralized police state.

Blurring the lines between the U.S. military and local sheriff departments sets a dangerous precedent that erodes freedom and civil liberties.

Those lines are being blurred right now in South Carolina.

According to The State, the Richland County Sheriff’s Department will participate in secretive joint exercise Monday and Tuesday with unnamed units from Ft. Bragg.

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The drills are scheduled to run up to midnight on both days and occur primarily in Lower Richland, around Hopkins and Eastover. Exercises will also take place around the Screaming Eagle Road near Elgin and North Richland County near outbound Monticello Road.

According to The State, a sheriff’s department spokesman refused to provide which units from Ft. Bragg are involved. Ft. Bragg is home to the U.S. Army’s elite groups, including the Special Forces and Delta Force.

The spokesman also said the drills would be noisy at times.

“Citizens may see military and departmental vehicles traveling in and around rural and metropolitan areas and may hear ordnance being set off or fired which will be simulated/ blanks and controlled by trained personnel,” a sheriff’s department press release said.

The secretive exercises are off limits to the media, reports The Activist Post.

The implications are serious.

Locally elected Sheriffs take an oath to uphold, preserve, and defend the Constitution. They are not an extension of the centralized federal government. They have the ultimate say in their county as the top law enforcement officer.

If sheriff deputies engage an enemy in conjunction with the U.S. military who do they take orders from? The ARMY commander? Or their Sheriff?

This violates the separation of local authorities and the federal government. If the separation of powers are eliminated, who will protect the Constitutional rights of citizens?


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1 posted on 01/22/2014 9:43:24 AM PST by Altariel
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To: Travis McGee

ping


2 posted on 01/22/2014 9:43:38 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Time to ORGANIZE people!


3 posted on 01/22/2014 9:46:07 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Altariel

ACE, or whatever Delta/CAG is called now, has always had exercises with law enforcement there.


4 posted on 01/22/2014 9:46:31 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Altariel

Just further militarization of local police force !!


5 posted on 01/22/2014 9:46:59 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Altariel

What will it take? dead civilians. an accidental blow-up.. an ill-timed visit to the woods with an excitable dog?

STay out da marijuana growing fields, or they could face series challenges.

The precipitating events that lead to open warfare are close to fruiting,, the baiting goes on,, the lessons of Concord are lost on those who should know better who the true enemies are .. of freedom, liberty, peace.


6 posted on 01/22/2014 9:48:48 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Altariel

Who are they training to fight against? US citizens who refuse to bow to the will of the federal government?


7 posted on 01/22/2014 9:49:00 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Altariel

Uh yeah, cops and soldiers train together sometimes. This is news, why exactly?


8 posted on 01/22/2014 9:50:02 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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9 posted on 01/22/2014 9:50:46 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Altariel

There are areas of this country, such as South Carolina and Southern California outside of Los Angeles County, where 1960s-1980s “law ‘n’ order” conservatism is the dominant wing of the anti-liberal opposition. One reason Lindsay Graham has survived thus far in the Palmetto State is because, for all his RINO tendencies on other domestic issues, he is staunchly in favor of authoritarian measures like the Patriot Act and the War on Drugs. Many conservatives of this stripe applaud military-police cooperation and the arming of LEOs with military equipment, including armored vehicles.


10 posted on 01/22/2014 9:55:24 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Altariel
Happens all the time. Sometimes, it really isn't nefarious.

Go up a litter further in NC and many a local helps out with robin sage and such. I suspect this one could be nuclear security related in the form of a security exercise.

There are alot of power plants in SC and few not too far away.

But, Richland does have a APC and some other wasted gear.

11 posted on 01/22/2014 9:56:13 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: thefactor

You clearly have some homework to do.

Here’s a start:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R42659.pdf


12 posted on 01/22/2014 9:56:39 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Thousands should show up to watch from all different locations in and around that area. If it is public land you have as much right to be there as they do. They have no legal reason to declare it a “National Defense Area” and exclude anyone.


13 posted on 01/22/2014 9:57:18 AM PST by oldenuff2no ("For which she should be charged with and face a jury. Not summarily executed.")
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To: Wallace T.

They are “conservative” only in that they wish to conserve State authoritarianism.


14 posted on 01/22/2014 9:58:06 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
We had this demonstrated in Boston. It's not knew. And I believe local enforcement was told to stand down.

That was the most sickening demo of Police Power that I ever saw in my life.

15 posted on 01/22/2014 9:58:17 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

And Boston was heavily defended here, when the news first broke out about it.

Sadly, I think it will take the same measures to be implemented in the very towns and villages where most Freepers live before a lot of the current authority-worshipers will wake up.

Hopefully, they won’t be being loaded into cattle cars at the time.


16 posted on 01/22/2014 10:01:25 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
...... as the bad guys become more sophisticated and use more advanced weapons ..... the tactical response units need to be prepared to deal with the same. To do otherwise would be iresponsible.

.... yup .... Of course this all sounds like scary stuff to some ..... however ... if you are a hostage in need of extraction .... you will damn well be thankful that these LEO's have this training.

17 posted on 01/22/2014 10:02:43 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: R_Kangel

Ahh, but as a Freeper, you are a “hostage” to outmoded ideas and in need of re-education.

And so they’ll ensure you get it.

And everyone else at your residence.

During a midnight raid.

And then you’ll be the government’s hostage.

Who will protect you from the protectors?


18 posted on 01/22/2014 10:04:19 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Freepers love their law and order believe me


19 posted on 01/22/2014 10:05:38 AM PST by wardaddy (wifey instructed me today to grow chapter president beard back again....i wonder why?)
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To: R_Kangel

When SWAT teams first came out, Americans were assured that they would ONLY be employed for rare situations, such as a criminal holding someone hostage.

Look at history. How did that really play out?


20 posted on 01/22/2014 10:05:46 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
"Who will protect you from the protectors?..."

.... Hopefully someone well prepared to do so.

21 posted on 01/22/2014 10:06:15 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: R_Kangel

Let us both hope that person is you. If you aren’t already, arm yourself and train yourself in the proper use, handling and care of your weapon of choice.

The life you save may be your own, and those with you.

If you aren’t aware, the police have no constitutional authority to provide you with protection (says SCOTUS). Warren v District of Columbia.


22 posted on 01/22/2014 10:08:07 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

It’s interesting to see how “conditioned” many FReepers have become to this.

None challenge it because it has become “normal” to see this...instead of seeing it for the potential threat to liberty that it is.

If you view this “exercise” as abnormal, you’re abnormal and not skeptical or cynical of government motives and intentions...

Sorry, but at this point in time, with the information that has become available about past administrations, both D&R, and what we know of this administration...I’m extremely skeptical and cynical.


23 posted on 01/22/2014 10:10:13 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Altariel; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ..
If only the police were held to the same ROE as the military!

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

24 posted on 01/22/2014 10:10:32 AM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: Altariel
"Let us both hope that person is you. If you aren’t already, arm yourself and train yourself in the proper use, handling and care of your weapon of choice...."

.... LOL.... I have full tactical training and .... yup ... not so worried about myself. However in a hostage situation where I wasn't involved I would prefer that the situation was in control of a unit has has the latest and best training and not still in 1967 mode.

25 posted on 01/22/2014 10:20:47 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: R_Kangel

That “latest and best” training can (and likely will) also be used against you once you are deemed “expendable”.

Be careful what you wish for.


26 posted on 01/22/2014 10:21:56 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

adapt and overcome


27 posted on 01/22/2014 10:23:16 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: R_Kangel

I saw nothing in the article to indicate they were training for hostage situations...do you have some other information about this “exercise” or are you just building strawmen?


28 posted on 01/22/2014 10:25:12 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: R_Kangel

...and when they are shown to have lied, as they lied about only using SWAT for situations such as hostage situations, how many dead Freepers, their family members, their friends and neighbors and their pets will it take before you regret putting a “positive spin” on their actions?


29 posted on 01/22/2014 10:31:44 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: R_Kangel

When’s the last time the FBI Hostage Rescue Team actually rescued a hostage?


30 posted on 01/22/2014 10:33:29 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Altariel

..... LOL ..... I think your questions should be directed towards the abuse of power rather than the effective training of response units.


31 posted on 01/22/2014 10:35:00 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: R_Kangel

Those who abuse power are typically “effectively trained to do so”.

I’m not surprised that you are avoiding answering the question.

How many Freepers? How many of their spouses, their children? Their friends? Their neighbors? Their pets?

All of that (and more) is what is at stake.


32 posted on 01/22/2014 10:37:38 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: wardaddy

...and some of them would very much like to ignore and downplay the number of innocents who will die if this is ignored and swept under the rug.


33 posted on 01/22/2014 10:39:15 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
.... So you are saying that if you were taken hostage by a well armed well organized group while making a withdrawal at a bank .... you would rather put your fate in the hands of untrained people with squirrel guns that were at a bar across the street than a well trained unit prepared and trained for hostage rescue?

..... Again .... please direct your concerns towards the abuse of power and those that seek to destroy our freedoms .... not toward the first responders .... they are trained to do their jobs and do them well.

34 posted on 01/22/2014 10:47:35 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: DuncanWaring
"When’s the last time the FBI Hostage Rescue Team actually rescued a hostage?...."

..... LOL A good internet search engine can be your friend.

35 posted on 01/22/2014 10:52:39 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: R_Kangel
".... So you are saying that if you were taken hostage by a well armed well organized group while making a withdrawal at a bank .... you would rather put your fate in the hands of untrained people with squirrel guns that were at a bar across the street than a well trained unit prepared and trained for hostage rescue?"

Again, where is this mentioned in the article? What information or proof do you have that this is the type of training that is taking place?

You keep harping on this, but the article makes absolutely no mention of it.

Strawman...

36 posted on 01/22/2014 10:56:42 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Altariel

There’s a rather large difference between joint training exercises and having the military enforce street-level laws. Believe me, I’ll be the first to speak out against the latter.


37 posted on 01/22/2014 10:58:09 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: R_Kangel

I certainly wouldn’t want to put my fate in the hands of the same “highly-trained” SWAT team that destroyed Jose Guerena Ortiz, using tactics more appropriate for Falujah.


38 posted on 01/22/2014 10:58:30 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Altariel

This is likely “Robin Sage” UWEX Phase III of the SF Qualification Course. They have been doing this for many years.


39 posted on 01/22/2014 11:04:20 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: thefactor

18th ABN Corp(’corpse’) has been doing this at Bragg and Campbell since back in the 1980s.

Usually cops would close down roads with the MPs.

I doubt SF is teaching the sherrif HALO jumps or 9 line medevac radio procedures.


40 posted on 01/22/2014 11:05:23 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Altariel

After reading the his/her tag line you think he/she will read a PDF file?


41 posted on 01/22/2014 11:11:40 AM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: SZonian
"You keep harping on this, but the article makes absolutely no mention of it."

.... Well ..... If we weren't under the thumb of an oppressive administration .... normally this wouldn't be of concern.

.... That said though ..... These types of operations are probably staged in an effort to teach all involved about learning to effective traverse terrain and operate equipment in this environment. However ..... My guess (and i am not an expert and don't profess to be one) is that the main reason is that there is also a serious need for law enforcement to also learn the different authorities and command structure during a joint operation/mission with the DoD ...... otherwise there would be mass confusion about who is in charge of what and the different or shared responsibilities that would be delegated to and handled by whom etc etc. Heck ..... It is confusing enough when a basic local crime scene is being handled by the local authorities .... and the Feds show up and claim jurisdiction. This kind of stuff actually does need to be addressed.

42 posted on 01/22/2014 11:13:00 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: DuncanWaring

.... please don’t confuse the exception for the norm.


43 posted on 01/22/2014 11:14:28 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: R_Kangel

Yes, there is a benefit to this type of training. However, there are costs as well. These units are very expensive. The overwhelming majority are never used for what they were trained to do and the funds that go into these units could be used to reduce crime that is much more prevalent (id theft, gang violence, burglary, etc.). I have been affected by violent crime more than once. The police were absolutely useless every time. If there isn’t a tv camera or a budget increase for the department, they don’t care.

Your example of being taken hostage in such a manner that a hostage rescue unit would be of any assistance is EXTREMELY remote. The chance of a local thug kicking in your door and shooting you straight off is much more likely.

Supporting very expensive training and units using your argument is like arguing to “invest” most of your retirement in lottery tickets because the payoff could be sooooo big. It’s just bad math.

Having said all that, even if the math did work out for your argument, it still would not have been tolerated earlier in our Republic. The Separation of Powers issue has been explained away by justices justifying all sorts of insanity.


44 posted on 01/22/2014 11:17:22 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: R_Kangel

Posse comitatus comes to mind based on your response...

It generally prohibits Federal military personnel and units of the United States National Guard under Federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act substantially limit the powers of the Federal government to use the military for law enforcement.

IMO, this is just one of many attempted end runs around the PC Act.

Sheriff and PD Depts. have plenty of prior military personnel who can instruct the Depts. on various tactics learned while in the military...


45 posted on 01/22/2014 11:18:10 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Altariel
Richland County Sheriff’s Department will participate in secretive joint exercise Monday and Tuesday with unnamed units from Ft. Bragg.

Taxpayer money undoubtedly is being used meaning the names can be obtained and posted all over the internet...

46 posted on 01/22/2014 11:20:04 AM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: spetznaz

For how long and should it continue?


47 posted on 01/22/2014 11:31:23 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: R_Kangel
Was Elishiba Weaver being held hostage by her mother?

Are all the incidents listed here exceptions also?

48 posted on 01/22/2014 11:34:10 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I just did Air Assault school. Please don’t mention 9 lines. Haha.


49 posted on 01/22/2014 11:41:42 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: null and void

Wouldn’t that be different


50 posted on 01/22/2014 11:48:11 AM PST by Nifster
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