Skip to comments.If Scotland Votes for Independence, Itís Going to Need an Army
Posted on 01/22/2014 9:59:25 AM PST by DesScorp
This year voters in Scotland will decide whether to remain within the United Kingdom. Scottish sovereignty rides on two things: any eventual negotiations between London and Edinburgh and the gradually evolving position of the Scottish National Party, the primary backer of the independence bid. And if it happens, the resulting military reform is going to be a mess. If the vote is yay, the most optimistic date for negotiations is March 2016, but it isnt out of the question that sticking points could push this back. Defense could be one of those points.
In its white paper on a newly independent Scotland, the SNP lists the potential new countrys needs in its first 10 years. The paper calls for an annual military budget of around £2.3 billion$4.1 billionwith a standing army, navy and air force with 15,000 personnel.
It also declares that existing Scottish regiments would carry on their names, identities and traditionsand that those lost in previous defense re-organizations would be brought back.
Scotland would reposition its defense posture towards patrolling the coast, the North Atlantic and the North Sea and defending its maritime assetsspecifically fishing grounds and oil. Scotland hopes to acquire 12 Eurofighter Typhoons from the Royal Air Force, two frigates from the Royal Navys current fleet and several offshore patrol vessels such as the current River class being built for the U.K. by BAE systems.
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The RNZN has how many warships?
I think it says they get the Scottish units back from the Royal Army. Secession from socialist GB is a first step in the right direction. I wish them luck.
I dont think these guys are thinking this through very well.
It’s almost like the desire to be independent to fulfill some “Scottish destiny” is blocking all of the serious consequences of being an actual nation.
It isnt like England forced them into this union. It was Scotland’s irresponsible fiscal practices that put them there.
And it looks like they haven’t learned a thing.
I thought the Scots were 'thrifty'!.....................
“If Scotland Votes for Independence, Its Going to Need an Army”
That’s what “independence” means. Think about it any time “gun control” enters the conversation.
All indications are that an independent Scotland will be way, way more Socialist than present day Great Britain.
With only 5 million people, and an average age that appears to be north of 45, staffing that military will not be an easy chore.
After blowing the nations’s money on trying to colonize Panama, you would have to be! :)
LOL, you don't know much about Scottish politics do you?
I suspect that they would have to go with the Swiss model. Rifle in every home, every male required to receive military training. Could be set up and executed within a couple of years. Hard to do overnight but very effective to prevent the country from being attacked.
They could make it compulsory as part of the education system. Similar to our JROTC program in High School. Learn to march, basic military ranks, general orders, basic first aid, basic military squad level tactics and basic rifle marksmanship in a 1 school year program.
BTW, this is something that I think we should be doing.
Please inform us as to the state of Scottish Politics.
What are they going to be? The Antisemitic Republic of Scotland?
Scottish MP’s lean much more left that Brittish. Actually, Brittain is going to be better off without them.
I’ll admit that Scottish politics is not my forte.
LOL, you don’t know much about Scottish politics do you?
I’d actually like to know too. My first thought was “UK is 14th in economic freedom and Ireland is 9th, maybe Scotland could be have more freddom outside Great Britain (worked for us, for a while)” But would that work? Do they have the political will to be free?
GB is socialist BECAUSE of the overwhemingly Leftist electorate in Scotland.
If they secede, they'll need all the luck you can wish them, and more.
The pictures in the news last year showed total destruction not mothballing.
I’m not up on Scottish politics.
Funny, but very accurate.
It’s funny to watch the Scots and the Welsh have two completely different reactions to independence. Scots get their kilts all bunched up and have no clue that they are about to have to pay for a helluva lot more than they do now...the Welsh took exactly ten seconds to realize what independence meant in fiscal terms and don’t even consider it outside of hardcore nationalist corners of society.
What would happen if they had no army
So the Russians would be intimated by a scot military
Don’t believe it
Just pay uk as needed
The RNZN has how many warships?
Naval Combat Force
The naval combat force currently consists of two Anzac class frigates: HMNZS Te Kaha and HMNZS Te Mana. Both ships are based at the Devonport Naval Base on Auckland's North Shore. Te Kaha was commissioned on 26 July 1997 and Te Mana on 10 December 1999.
The specifications and armaments of the two ships are identical.
I do know something about this Scottish National Party. They have murky and disturbing past, including founders who were strongly anti-semitic (despite the fact that there are not many Jews in Scotland.)
Mainly, though, an independent Scotland is impractical, and would be very expensive to run. This will not be another Switzerland. Furthermore, the vote may be close, which means that enthusiasm for independence does not run very deep. Nor will the vote end the issue: there will be many Scots who will be unhappy with independence, and will try to have it reversed, or will simply be uncooperative citizens. How will they be treated?
I think that separatism in Scotland is a nutty idea.
“Whatever military they do muster will, I guarantee you, be turned towards the English border. England will always be the Bogeyman that the SNP uses to keep the Scots in line. You’ll see posters, propoganda campaigns, etc, about how England is always about to invade. Mark it.”
I wouldn’t go that far. They’re actually going to be expecting the UK to do most of the heavy lifting when it comes to the defence of an ‘independent’ Scotland. The SNP has always come out in force to whine and protest when an Army or RAF base is earmarked for closure north of Hadrian’s wall, that coupled with the fact that they intend to keep the pound, suggests that independence, if was voted for, would be a sham, and Scotland will still be very much dependent on the rest of the UK, except they will have forfeited any right to have a vote or say in any of the policies that will affect them...
You’re probably right. People, including people in America, tend to romanticize this stuff. I have both Scottish and Welsh ancestry. But today it’s probably more Trainspotting than Braveheart.
...and they booted Winston Churchill after WWII in favor of socialism.
Same here, mostly British Isles in some form or another.
Claim independence then disappear every socialist MP. Oops, they left Scotland for greener pastures. At the bottom of the North Sea.
Then turn towards Israel and India as allies.
Prototype of Scotland's new short range missile.
and who do they expect to pay for their army?
Not to my knowledge, but admittedly I do not follow it closely. I will say they are proud of their language, but I do not believe there is anything remotely resembling the level of enthusiasm for secession that exists in Scotland.
Aren’t many Scots also heavily dependent upon mostly English-subsidised welfare?
All they would have to do is lower all of the taxes and make it a cheap vacation spot. Imagine if petrol cost 1.50 Scottish pounds a gallon! Then imagine opening lots of shopping malls, gas stations, restaurants, etc. on the English border. Capitalism works everytime its tried.
Very true unless they do what certain other countries have done re the might of the USA. Just sat back and say "The Americans will protect us". Fortunately NATO has indeed shouldered some of the burden.
I, having worked and travelled in Scotland and treated handsomely in spite of being a "Sassanach",fear another entity. It is the entrenched bureaucrat. From the billions given to say Africa, aid to Haiti and so on, the bureaucrat has "first dibs".
Scotland wanted a new parliament building and rightly so. The initial estimated cost was 40 million pounds (about $60 million dollars. The final cost was 414 million pounds and was started in 1999 and finished 2004.
The Welsh people were mulling over separation at one time from England. In 1966 a huge coal tip overlooked Aberfan. The rain permeated it and hit sloshed down to the town. 144 kids and 5 teachers died. An immense fund was contributed to. The bureaucrats got hold of it. The mine company tapped the fund for 150,000 pounds to clean up the tip. The grieving parents were asked by the bureaucrats; " how close were you to your child?" This to evaluate compensation. I stand to be corrected, but the real victims got but little.
Later a shamefaced Mining Board refunded the money- much later. I know this is a bit of an off topic ramble, but even in Canada, millions are handed out to Indian reserves. There are cases of chiefs taking most of the monies- any attempt to audit is met with cries of "racists". They are now called First Nations.
The rain permeated it and it sloshed down to the town.
“Theyre actually going to be expecting the UK to do most of the heavy lifting when it comes to the defence of an independent Scotland.”
The few pro-independence Scots I know look more to the EU for future defence rather than the UK, but either way, the Scots will be biting off more than they can chew. Without UK $$ proping up their socialist institutions, they’re going to be much poorer than they’ve become accostumed to. And one cannot eat nationalism.
King Edward I would invade Scotland!
Looks like they’re really going through with it this time. Good luck to you, Scotland. I hope you’ve learned from British errors, and our errors too.
Yes, that’s my heritage, except my grandmother whose father was Luxemburger. But Ive often suspected that they were really German and fudged it because of anti-German sentiment during World War I.
The Brits might have to beef up Hadrian’s Wall...
For one thing there would be no Edinburgh Military Tattoo. It'd be a shame to lose it.
Oh, and there's no such thing as the "Royal Army".
OMG - no chance.