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Gov. Rick Perry for decriminalization of pot
San Antonio Express News ^ | 01/23/2014 | Kolten Parker

Posted on 01/23/2014 12:38:11 PM PST by thetallguy24

SAN ANTONIO — Texas Gov. Rick Perry signaled Thursday that he's for the decriminalization of marijuana use — not legalization, but the softening of punishment for marijuana users in the border state.

“As governor, I have begun to implement policies that start us toward a decriminalization” by introducing alternative “drug courts” that provide treatment and softer penalties for minor offenses, Perry said during an international panel on drug legalization at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

His spokesman confirmed that Perry is staunchly opposed to legalization of marijuana because of the dangers that have been associated with the drug, but is committed to decriminalization policies to lower the punishment for its use in order to keep smokers out of jail.

“Legalization is no penalty at all, where as decriminalization doesn't necessarily mean jail time (for minor possession offenses.) It means more of a fine or counseling or some sort of program where you don't end up in jail but in a rehabilitative program,” said Lucy Nashed, a spokesman for Perry.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: dontbogartthatjoint; dopersrights; drugs; legalization; legalpot; marijuana; nannystate; perry; pot; rickperry; texas
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So now he's a libertarian? What the he11 is wrong with my elected officials in Texas? Who paid him to change his stance?
1 posted on 01/23/2014 12:38:11 PM PST by thetallguy24
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To: thetallguy24

Decriminalization keeps it off of store shelves. It doesn’t make it legal or endorse it.

Those who rub their palms saying they will invite drug tourists to their state and tax the hell out of it are heartily endorsing it.


2 posted on 01/23/2014 12:41:44 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: thetallguy24

Decriminalization is a heck of a lot wiser than legalization.


3 posted on 01/23/2014 12:42:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: thetallguy24

Why not?

Keep people in drug induced hazes by any means. Plenty of bread and circuses and voila !

Instant sheeple, perpetual Statism.

” ... by means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms—elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest—will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of non-violent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial—but Democracy and freedom in a strictly Pickwickian sense. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit. “

- Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited, published 1958


4 posted on 01/23/2014 12:46:14 PM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: thetallguy24

I hate drugs and druggies, but I became libertarian on that particular issue because of the abuses of our local cops.

-— for the record, I am in NM, home of the double-illegal anal probe cops and doctors without a warrant. Sad to say, this is pretty typical behavior for them.


5 posted on 01/23/2014 12:48:21 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: thetallguy24

Is this how we plan to out liberal the democrats this election? First Christie and now Perry are on the anti-war against drugs bandwagon.


6 posted on 01/23/2014 12:48:54 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: thetallguy24

So now he’s a libertarian? What the he11 is wrong with my elected officials in Texas? Who paid him to change his stance?

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Hold on now. See my tagline. I HATE libertarians. And ask anybody; I’m as big a pro-WOD drug warrior as they come.

But there is a difference between legalization and decriminalization.

Rick Perry had his faults. But this ain’t one of them.


7 posted on 01/23/2014 12:49:33 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: thetallguy24

I agree with him. Putting minor users of marijuana in jail does no good. They get out and do it again and we had to pay for their upkeep in jail or prison. Someone caught isn’t let go, he/she is arrested and will go to a court to determine how to help the person kick the habit, rehab/counseling, etc.. Paying millions of dollars for prisoner upkeep of people who smoked some marijuana is a waste of money.

Drug sellers would not be a part of this group - drug sellers would still go to prison.


8 posted on 01/23/2014 12:50:10 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: thetallguy24

It appears the name Perry, has moved onto the new “HIT LIST” on the Obama/Clinton, smear campaign witch hunt.. Trolls aren’t decriminalized on FR, FYI.. jus sayin


9 posted on 01/23/2014 12:50:45 PM PST by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: thetallguy24

As a former soldier in the WOD I have always felt that it should be a summons type offense for simple possession under a certain amount. If you have a larger amount it is obvious you are dealing and should have the hammer dropped. Legalization is just stupid however.


10 posted on 01/23/2014 12:53:46 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Responsibility2nd

Decriminalization basically means that pot possession gets you a fine instead of a prison sentence. I never smoke it, but I don’t want my tax dollars going to feeding druggies in the clink. In the end of the day while bad for you, pot is not nearly as bad as alcohol or tobacco. That said, I can’t say I really care about the issue.


11 posted on 01/23/2014 12:54:01 PM PST by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: thetallguy24
Is that a global business tip?

/johnny

12 posted on 01/23/2014 12:55:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: thetallguy24

Texas? Going blue I see.


13 posted on 01/23/2014 12:55:41 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I am in NM, home of the double-illegal anal probe cops and doctors without a warrant. Sad to say, this is pretty typical behavior for them.
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So, some day, should I ever need a colonoscopy or something, I should just go get myself arrested for jaywalking?

Good to know. Might save me a few bucks!


14 posted on 01/23/2014 12:55:46 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: thetallguy24

That will make some Texas heads explode!

I bet some will think Rick is soft on drugs because of a post-surgery addiction. /S

But, I think it’s the right thing to do.


15 posted on 01/23/2014 12:56:23 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: TheThirdRuffian
'double-illegal anal probe cops'

Dang, you didn't give them credit for the enemas or the colonoscopy.

16 posted on 01/23/2014 12:56:33 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: thetallguy24

America 2014. Dopehead nation. Homosex nation.

The flag should really replace its stars-and-stripes in favor of one with marijuana leaves and anuses.


17 posted on 01/23/2014 12:57:33 PM PST by greene66
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Might save me a few bucks!

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Don’t trust them to remove any polyps


18 posted on 01/23/2014 12:58:13 PM PST by deport
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To: thetallguy24
Statists want to feed and house pot smokers in taxpayer funded institutions under the care of unionized prison guards.

I don't.

19 posted on 01/23/2014 12:59:02 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

“So, some day, should I ever need a colonoscopy or something, I should just go get myself arrested for jaywalking?”

Rolling a stop sign is the traditional ticket to multiple enemas, pooping in front of 5 or 6 guys, and two anal probes.

“Might save me a few bucks!”

Actually, the hospital and doctor who performed the forced surgeries sent the victim a bill.


20 posted on 01/23/2014 12:59:16 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: DannyTN

Perry is retiring from office and, based on his dismal performance in the 2012 Republican nomination race, will not get the funding he would need to try again in 2016. So he has nothing to prove by supporting a form of amnesty for marijuana users.


21 posted on 01/23/2014 1:04:31 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: BurningOak

Decriminalizing drugs will much the same as decriminalizing drunk driving. Drunk driving is illegal here in Texas. But no big deal.

We are one of 8 states that DO NOT ALLOW DWI checkpoints. And unless you kill someone - you don’t go to jail either.

If you do get caught with a DWI, you get to throw some 3 to 5 thousand dollars at an attorney, who gets your sentence reduced to some 3 to 5 thousand dollar fine. But its no feloney for sure.

Lawyers Win. The State Wins.

Same with recreational pot. Getting caught with less than an ounce will only set you back a few hundered.

Course if you are caught with a pound or more (pusher) or caught repeatedly..... Jail Time.


22 posted on 01/23/2014 1:05:10 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: thetallguy24

Fifteen years ago I heard a lecturer say that in a generation we would wonder why it was ever illegal in the first place.


23 posted on 01/23/2014 1:06:49 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: thetallguy24
" by introducing alternative “drug courts” that provide treatment and softer penalties for minor offenses,"

That's part of a successful strategy. Help the addicts to get out of the slavery of drugs, and crack down hard on the dealers and money-fronters (corrupt local pillars of the community in business). Enlist the help of every willing citizen and reward them for it.

How China got rid of opium


24 posted on 01/23/2014 1:09:12 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: thetallguy24; JRandomFreeper
Hmm, you joined last April about the same time as the person pushing Tom Pauken for governor and you supported that guy and Pauken. Now, you are using the same technique to trash the governor as that thought to be relative of Pauken. Maybe you are that thought to be relative of Pauken as you sound like him. We will see.
25 posted on 01/23/2014 1:11:08 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

LOL no he’s in China. I don’t make posts of Communist propaganda at 3am like he does.


26 posted on 01/23/2014 1:15:05 PM PST by thetallguy24
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To: thetallguy24; a fool in paradise

Rehabilitation is good, and many places have already decriminalized possession of small amounts that were obviously not meant for sale.

I think marijuana is greatly underestimated as a dangerous drug and from personal experience, that is, what I saw among my high school friends and among those of my kids, there is no way it should be legalized. This is without really discussing the long term effects: I saw smart or average kids who were heavy users literally turn into spaced out losers who watched Scooby Doo all day. And it wasn’t funny or cute.

I know Obama wants it legalized because a stoned population is a docile population (plus, maybe his peculiar behavior is the result of the effects of pot on his Choom Gang brain?).

But Perry wants rehabilitation for people picked up with pot for personal use, and I think that’s a good thing.


27 posted on 01/23/2014 1:15:30 PM PST by livius
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To: Chuckster
Fifteen years ago I heard a lecturer say that in a generation we would wonder why it was ever illegal in the first place.

Actually, it should be "illegal in the second place". Marijuana was outlawed more so for it's commercial competition in industrial uses than for any kind of drug reasons. But I always find it curious, liberals generally hate tobacco but love marijuana, whereas we're generally the opposite. Why is that?

Hemp for Victory
28 posted on 01/23/2014 1:27:47 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Drunk driving is illegal here in Texas. But no big deal. And unless you kill someone - you don’t go to jail either”

Wrong:

DWI, 1st Offense: Class B Misdemeanor in Texas
•Fine – A fine not to exceed $2,000.
•Jail – Confinement in the County Jail for a term of not less the 72 hours nor more that six (6) months. Open Container – If there was an open container of alcohol in your car when arrested, the minimum term of confinement is six (6) days in the county jail.

DWI, Second Offense: Class A Misdemeanor

•Fine – A fine not to exceed $4,000.00.
•Jail – Confinement in the County Jail for a term of not less than 72 hours nor more than one (1) year.

DWI, Third Offense (or greater): Third degree FELONY
•Fine – A fine not to exceed $10,000.00.
•Jail – Confinement in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, Institutional Division (Penitentiary) for a term of not less than 2 years nor more than ten (10) years.


29 posted on 01/23/2014 1:29:22 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: thetallguy24

Which big pharma company paid him to say that?


30 posted on 01/23/2014 1:36:53 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: thetallguy24

I represent a client charged in the following circumstances:

He’s just graduated from college, but he and his roommates didn’t quite realize the rules were different now. They were a little loud and boisterous in their apartment, and the neighbor called the cops. The cop smelled marijauna when he came to the door, told them to quiet down and get rid of the weed. The cop didn’t intend to do anything, but told his superiors, who contacted the local Drug Task Force/stormtrooper squad. They ran the dog past the door to the apartment, got a search warrant, and all eight of them stormed the place. They found a gram of marijuana in my client’s room, nine grams in a roommate’s room. Nothing else. No evidence they were selling weed; just small amounts for personal use.

All three guys arrested and CHARGED with a Felony for Maintaining a Common Nuisance. None of the guys have any record for anything.

Yep; a FELONY for a gram of pot in the bedroom.

I think it’s time to decriminalize pot just because of situations like this.


31 posted on 01/23/2014 1:37:09 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: thetallguy24

The problems I see with the WOD are the wealthy criminals, the legions of jack boots, and the ubiquitous violations of rights. While decriminalization will save us the trouble of feeding and housing drug users it will still maintain the government opression apparatus and will keep the supply and distribution in the hands of real criminals.

If we no longer care that it is consumed (enough to jail users) is it really worth it to keep the JBTs employed and the dealers rich?


32 posted on 01/23/2014 1:40:53 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: DannyTN

It would seem to save a lot of money if cigarette smokers didn’t get jail sentences. Same with Pot.


33 posted on 01/23/2014 2:36:38 PM PST by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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To: DannyTN

It would seem to save a lot of money if cigarette smokers didn’t get jail sentences. Same with Pot.


34 posted on 01/23/2014 2:40:44 PM PST by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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To: DannyTN

It would seem to save a lot of money if cigarette smokers didn’t get jail sentences. Same with Pot.


35 posted on 01/23/2014 2:41:36 PM PST by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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To: billhilly

Until the bills for the schitzophrenia and bipolar disease comes in.


36 posted on 01/23/2014 2:43:15 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: livius
I saw smart or average kids who were heavy users literally turn into spaced out losers who watched Scooby Doo all day. And it wasn’t funny or cute.

Marijuana is a psycho-active drug, and therefore has harmful effects by definition. I'm sure we can all agree on that. But so does alcohol. Using the example of how marijuana has negative effects on teenagers is not an honest appraisal of its risk relative to something like alcohol, unless you compare its effects on teenagers to the effects of alcohol on teenagers. The reality is that teenagers are in a crucial state of development, both physical and mental, and ANY drug, legal or illegal, or chemical exposure, etc. will have a negative effect on the teenagers development. In other words, if all your buddies were drinking daily when they were teens, you would have seen destructive effects there, as well.

And NONE of this has anything to do with the potential decriminalization or legalization question, since that question refers to legal adults using the drugs. Nobody is arguing that it should be legal for minors.
37 posted on 01/23/2014 3:07:52 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: thetallguy24

Perry signed into law in state tuition for Illegal Aliens....tried to force young girls to take an STD vaccine...tried to push a taxpayer funded 150 billion dollar NAFTA superhighway

Supporting drug use no surprise

Perry is no conservative


38 posted on 01/23/2014 3:08:05 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: dead

You just want to give them drugs...right?


39 posted on 01/23/2014 3:09:35 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: RightOnTheBorder
If we no longer care that it is consumed (enough to jail users) is it really worth it to keep the JBTs employed and the dealers rich?

Decriminalization is for people who don't have the balls to come out and say we should just make it legal. I'd like to see it legalized at the federal level, and let each state decide whether to legalize it at their level (I think they should, but let them decide for themselves). But then, I actually believe in the US Constitution.
40 posted on 01/23/2014 3:12:34 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
But then, I actually believe in the US Constitution.

I'll have some of what you've been smokin'...
41 posted on 01/23/2014 3:28:15 PM PST by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: thetallguy24

Equating marijuana with dangerous substances like heroin and meth has cost the GOP and law enforcement mightily in terms of credibility. Continuing the war on stoners is not defensible politically, and the moral and economic arithmetic have gotten progressively messier since the 80s.


42 posted on 01/23/2014 3:32:18 PM PST by CowboyJay (Cruz'-ing in 2016!)
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To: DannyTN

I understand that. We live with it.


43 posted on 01/23/2014 3:42:13 PM PST by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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To: fr_freak

Yes, but alcohol has fairly short-term effects. It takes a seriously long time of heavy use to become addicted.

And if alcohol, a legal intoxicant with a long cultural history, is bad, why add another intoxicant - a drug with proven permanent bad side effects and no cultural history outside of the ME and certain parts of Asia, where it has been credited with their lethargy - to the list?

People in the US think that anything that is legal is good. Marijuana is not good, and furthermore, it’s been tacitly legalized with far fewer controls than alcohol or any other intoxicant.


44 posted on 01/23/2014 3:54:49 PM PST by livius
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To: thetallguy24

Has anyone estimated how many prison cells would be open if they legalized pot? That’s really the only benefit I see from this.


45 posted on 01/23/2014 3:56:35 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: SeminoleCounty
You just want to give them drugs...right?

No, I don't want to give them anything. That's my point.

46 posted on 01/23/2014 4:00:30 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Quite agree, but it does show how far the country has shifted when a Republican governor of Texas throws pot prohibitionists under the bus. (bumpity-bump bumpity-bump!)


47 posted on 01/23/2014 4:07:34 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: rottndog

Really? Show me where, in the US Constitution, the federal government is given the power to regulate the individual use of ANYTHING, or growing ANYTHING for your personal use. Hopefully, that clears it up for you. For a more advanced discussion, you can tell me where in the US Constitution the federal government is given the authority to freeze and seize assets without trial and conduct 3am no-knock raids.


48 posted on 01/25/2014 9:53:00 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: livius
Yes, but alcohol has fairly short-term effects. It takes a seriously long time of heavy use to become addicted.

So you're a doctor/medical researcher, are you? You've got hard facts to back up that assertion?

And if alcohol, a legal intoxicant with a long cultural history, is bad, why add another intoxicant - a drug with proven permanent bad side effects and no cultural history outside of the ME and certain parts of Asia, where it has been credited with their lethargy - to the list?

You've gone off onto the wrong path of thinking that so many have gone down. And, quite frankly, I think it is the path that the government wants you to go down. So here it is: IT DOESN'T MATTER whether marijuana is harmful or not. Of course it is, as is alcohol, as is tobacco, as are foods with high fructose corn syrup, as are Twinkies. The point of government is not to make illegal every risky choice that citizens might make - it is to safeguard the liberty and property of its citizens. Justifying the federal government's shredding of the US Constitution (which are its own constraints) by saying that marijuana may have negative effects is madness. We can argue all day whther alcohol or marijuana is worse for you (I believe alcohol is) but IT DOESN'T MATTER when it comes to whether the government's proper place is to regulate personal usage of it.

The fedgov and local govs have been stomping on the rights of citizens and pissing on their own legal restraints for decades now, and justifying it by saying that marijuana and (some) other drugs are bad. Well, you know what else is bad? Cops invading your home in the middle of the night, shooting your dog, tasering your grandma and seizing your assets, all without trial or presenting a warrant. That is what we have come to. And that doesn't even take into account the fact that the black market for drugs has made violent cartels rich er than some countries.
49 posted on 01/25/2014 10:05:11 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

Please, read up on it before you make idiotic remarks. But you’re probably too busy toking up.

Libertarians want one thing only from the government: free pot.


50 posted on 01/25/2014 12:21:07 PM PST by livius
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