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To: Windflier
I guess you and I view the world of California out of two very different pair of spectacles.

I like my life a whole lot. I am only responsible for myself, family, friends and those who will accept help. I can't bleed for people just because.

Your assessment is your point of view. My opinion, after traveling THE WORLD OVER (except Australia and New Zealand) is that our own poorest of our poor are OODLES better of than the "middle class" of most second and third world countries.

But, don't take my word for it: GO SEE FOR YOURSELF.

61 posted on 01/23/2014 6:12:10 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I mostly agree with you...

The year round Mediterranean weather and things to do in CA is worth a fortune to us...More than we pay in taxes..It’s why were here.

But don’t buy ever buythat line the illegals will do the work Americans will not. They cross the border and instantly get massive pay raises while driving down our wages....And who do ya think were doing those jobs before they got here?


68 posted on 01/23/2014 7:40:12 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cloudmountain
I guess you and I view the world of California out of two very different pair of spectacles.

It's not a matter of viewpoint, friend. It's a matter of real cause and effect. California's dismal numbers aren't theoretical, and they're not anyone's opinion.

California is on a slide into the sewer drain of history. It's a state ruled by one party - a party that just happens to be strongly Socialist. Even radically so. There's no conservative counter-balance in the state assembly, or throughout the state government apparatus. At any level. They're running California into the ground, and have been for decades now. The truth of that isn't even up for debate any longer, as any number of thousands of reports will show - if you care to look.

I read what you said to another poster about illegals coming to pick crops, then going home to Mexico for the winter. Good grief.....what century are you living in? Are you not aware that the fastest growing segment of the population in California are illegal immigrants?

Hate to burst your bubble, but they're not going home. They're colonizing yours, and most every other state in America. Most especially the South-West.

I can tell by your descriptions of your life that you're comfortable and happy. You're one of a very small minority in California who are so situated. Most have to deal with illegals moving into their neighborhoods, destroying property values, over-burdening county budgets, spreading violent criminal gangs, overwhelming school systems and hospitals, and forcing lower class Americans and youngsters out of their jobs.

They're literally turning parts of our country into de facto states of Mexico. Obviously, you don't get out of your comfort zone long enough to ever see it firsthand. Try living in Los Angeles for a while, and see if that doesn't shift your opinions about the real conditions in California.

Oh, and for your information, I've traveled a fair bit of the world, and have seen real poverty firsthand. The only reason we don't see that sort of grinding poverty in this country, is because Uncle Sugar steals from the productive class at the point of gun to feed, house, and clothe our poor.

69 posted on 01/23/2014 7:50:32 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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