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To: Din Maker

DANGEROUS DANGEROUS thinking. This was the conventional wisdom before 2012. And if Hillary runs, at least the same number of minorities will turn out, if not more.

This is so in the bubble thinking and gets us beat EVERY time.


5 posted on 01/26/2014 7:19:24 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

So, what is the solution, RIghtwardHo?


7 posted on 01/26/2014 7:32:51 PM PST by Din Maker
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To: RIghtwardHo

Some how the illegal voting has to be stopped. In CT. there were so many votes that were double even triple votes + by one person in so many areas.
We need more control at the voting booths.


12 posted on 01/26/2014 7:43:16 PM PST by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: RIghtwardHo

For the GOP to gain electoral votes beyond OH, FL and VA, there is going to have to be a game changer. Every electoral trend from 2009 through 2011 was in our favor. The country elected Republicans at every level of government in unprecedented ways. From conservative governors and Senators in solid blue states to state houses going Republican for the first time in over a century. 2012 showed the swing almost right back to where we were in 2008.

Why would a state that elects Scott Walker and strongly backs him in the recall, swing to a big Obama win? It seemed only logical we would pick up more ground in 2012...even if not a win, picking up more than IN and NC. FL and VA should have been solid wins. We should have made more inroads in midwestern states that had soured on Obama. Yet we didn’t.

If we see something different in 2016 what will cause the shift? Is the Obamacare disaster enough? Is the NSA a gamechanger, or is our party too committed to big government anti-terror to take advantage. Something has to change the trajectory other than Obama’s woes....either a movement leader capturing new interest or complete rejection of the Obama presidency in 2016 similar to the reaction to Bush after two years. I don’t know if we can build that kind of reaction without the aid of the media/entertainment without a really, really strong candidate. We shall see...if there was another presidential election today with a nameless Democrat and Republican, I am guessing we might have a chance, but not convinced. Add Hillary or Obama on the Dem ticket and almost anyone on our side today, and I’d say they still win. More work is needed to win back the White House.


13 posted on 01/26/2014 7:48:37 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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