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A Step Backwards in Ukraine - Are these the last weeks for the Yanukovych regime?
nationalreview.com ^ | January 29, 2014 | George Weigel

Posted on 01/29/2014 7:43:16 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Zionist Conspirator

Except George Weigel is a conservative Catholic who promotes Christian heritage and culture. Which is probably why you don’t like him, considering your vehement hostility towards Christianity.


21 posted on 01/29/2014 8:24:52 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“I’m on America’s side.”

By supporting Al Qaeda... John McCain’s platform summed up right there.


22 posted on 01/29/2014 8:29:42 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon
I support Al-Qaeda killing Assad, and you support Al-Qaeda killing US soldiers in Iraq.

McCain is a war hero compared to your mancrush Putin, who never fought in any war but loyally served the secret police who oppressed his own people.

You show our soldiers who Assad maimed and killed in Iraq as much respect as you show McCain. Did you serve? Are you even an American? I strongly doubt it.

23 posted on 01/29/2014 8:36:32 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Except George Weigel is a conservative Catholic who promotes Christian heritage and culture. Which is probably why you don’t like him, considering your vehement hostility towards Christianity.

Where in the world did that come from? I actually thought we were friends.

I admit I didn't read the article but rather reacted to the thread title. I've been waiting for an excuse to point out liberal hypocrisy on "anti-government" movements (foreign vs. domestic) for a long time, saw your thread title, and just foolishly assumed it was liberal and used it as an excuse to vent. I apologize for my mistake.

Protestants are anti-Catholic. Catholics are anti-Protestant. Eastern Orthodox are anti-both. And everyone is anti-moslem and anti-mormon. Why is my arguing against what I sincerely believe to be a false religion (and from the Right, never from the Left) so much worse than anyone else defending his religion and challenging others' here?

I admit I'm not a big fan of civilizational or cultural religion of any kind. I've always been too big a fundie for that. It's either true or to heck with it.

24 posted on 01/29/2014 8:39:58 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

A birth conspiracy? Really? Are you secretly Ukrainian perhaps?

I don’t support Al Qaeda at all, in any capacity. You admittedly do. Perhaps you might want to reflect on 9/11. I know that was just civilians, but they were pretty important too... and while I respect McShame’s war record, the man is a despicable SOB, and I think 90% of Freepers would agree with that.

I just hope you’re consistent, so when Golden Dawn occupy offices in Greece or Jobbik occupy offices in Hungary and try to overthrow the government, you send cash to them too.

And with that, I’ll leave you to argue with yourself.


25 posted on 01/29/2014 8:45:02 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon
The more muslim terrorists kill each other, the better. You want me to believe that Assad, the ayatollah, and hizballah are the "good muslims." I'm not buying it.

Your buddy Alex Jones has some pretty interesting theories about 9/11, you should check them out. snicker.

26 posted on 01/29/2014 8:53:57 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: 1rudeboy

It’d be much better to let the EU take over, Last time they ran Ukraine it was awesome I hear.


27 posted on 01/29/2014 10:36:11 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“I support Al-Qaeda killing Assad,,, “

LOL,, off the rails there. So McLame supports Al Qeida. And its all fine with you. Amazing and funny.


28 posted on 01/29/2014 10:39:53 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: freedom462

Ukraine is raising it voice. Yanukovich is a twice convicted felon and a Russian toady. He needs to go. Ukraine needs to reduce corruption clean up its justice system and improve other socio-political issues as well.

The key here is that Ukrainian nationalism is on the rise. Eastern or western Ukraine doesn’t matter the people self identify as Ukrainians. The don’t like the Russians much and for good reason. They are suspicious of Euro influence too. They want more trade with the EU not to join up


29 posted on 01/30/2014 2:42:52 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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The key here is that Ukrainian nationalism is on the rise. Eastern or western Ukraine doesn’t matter the people self identify as Ukrainians. The don’t like the Russians much and for good reason. They are suspicious of Euro influence too. They want more trade with the EU not to join u

East and West matter a great deal. The "Ukraine" is effectively two separate countries. The Western Ukraine is entirely Ukrainian speaking predominantly Catholic with close cultural ties to Poland. The eastern Ukraine is mostly Eastern Orthodox with many people who speak better Russian than Ukrainian. They have always been culturally more oriented towards Russia (Kiev was historically Russian).

As long as you have this situation, there will always be a tug of war between Europe-oriented Ukrainians in the west and Russia-oriented Ukrainians in the east.

Incidentally, those Ukrainians who think that they'll get a better deal or more freedom from EU "soft power" than the more open and brutal hard power of Putin are in for a surprise. The former is more insidious (and in many ways harder to resist) than the latter.

30 posted on 01/30/2014 10:51:12 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck
With respect, you are reciting a meme that does not exist to the extent you think. There are still Ukrainians alive who remember the Holodomor and Russian depredations during and after the Great Patriotic War.

Yes eastern Ukraine is more Russo oriented but they have no desire to join up again. As to religion, western Ukraine has many Polish descendants, but the predominent religion of the country is eastern orthodox church as initiated by the Byzantines for Prince Vladimir. That is why the statue of Svetoi Mikhail stands on Kreschatik street.

31 posted on 01/30/2014 12:53:04 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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As to religion, western Ukraine has many Polish descendants,

Had. The Soviets kicked them out and most moved to the parts of Poland gained from the Germans.

32 posted on 01/30/2014 12:53:56 PM PST by dfwgator
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The Soviets kicked them out and most moved to the parts of Poland gained from the Germans.

Not before the Ukrainian Nazis nationalists murdered thousands of Polish peasants in their villages as part of an ethnic 'cleansing' operation. The descendants of this scum make up Ukraine's Svoboda militants who today are trying to destabilize the elected government of Ukraine.

33 posted on 01/30/2014 4:33:55 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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Yes, I have brought up the name Stepan Bandera several times on the Ukraine threads.


34 posted on 01/30/2014 4:38:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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What’s interesting is that Stephan Bandera was actually being held in a German prison camp in 1944 when the Ukrainian nationalist paramilitary carried out the Polish massacres. His counterpart Mykola Lebed led the nationalist faction in his absence and carried out these atrocities.


35 posted on 01/30/2014 4:46:31 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Yanukovych

Another one Rides the Bus
I Love Rocky Road
The Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota
Bohemian Polka
Canadian Idiot
Cavity Search
Dare to Be Stupid

Oh wait...We're not talking about Wierd Al are we.

36 posted on 01/30/2014 4:56:24 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: DesertRhino

So the CIA has duped al qaeda jihadists into attacking America’s shiite enemies aligned with Iran, and you think that’s a bad thing? The reason you feel that way is because your loyalty is not to the USA, but to Russia. You have no problem supporting shiite jihadists if they are Russia’s allies, but when America turns the tables on Russia gives them a dose of their own medicine, then Putinistas like you whine and cry foul. You hate the CIA but you have no problem at all with the KGB. According to your anti-American Neo-Soviet narrative, Chris Stevens deserved to die because he was a bad guy arming Russia’s enemies.


37 posted on 01/30/2014 7:18:35 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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