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Wounded Warriors Project “legal scam” kills off grassroots, all-volunteer...
Gunssavelife.com ^ | 1/29/2014 | unknown

Posted on 01/30/2014 9:33:39 AM PST by rktman

The Wounded Warriors Project, a group that has been called a “legal scam” by veterans, has successfully killed off the all-volunteer Indiana veterans assistance group “Help Indiana Veterans”.

Why?

Because Dean Graham, the head of Help Indiana Veterans, wrote that Wounded Warriors was a scam because that so-called charitable organization spends but a few pennies on the dollar in grants to fund endeavors to actually benefit wounded servicemen and women, per their IRS Form 990 from 2011.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: corruption; fraud; scam; veterans; wot
Always check charities to see how the monies are used or abused.
1 posted on 01/30/2014 9:33:39 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

I stopped giving to them years ago when I read their ratings on Charity Navigator.

They’re still far mpre charitable than the ‘non-profit’ NFL.

Fisher House is among the tops.


2 posted on 01/30/2014 9:38:37 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: rktman

I will need to dust off my reading comprehension cap and read that again for more clarity. Are their clear Good Guys and Bad Guys or is this just a matter of business expediency?


3 posted on 01/30/2014 9:38:50 AM PST by lee martell
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To: rktman
That's a good example of what we like to call a dick move.
4 posted on 01/30/2014 9:38:56 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rktman

Not a problem. He can set up under a new name.


5 posted on 01/30/2014 9:39:59 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: rktman

The Wounded Warrior Project is an anti-gun organization.

Go figure.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/11/wounded-warrior-project-is-anti-gun/#axzz2ruBP1omG


6 posted on 01/30/2014 9:48:04 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: rktman

Giving away $5 million and spending $88 million on salaries and fundraising IS a scam intended to enrich the heads of the organization.


7 posted on 01/30/2014 9:48:55 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: rktman

They are not after individual’s donation.

They switched going after corporate donations and sponsorships years ago, the actual cause forgotten and where $$$$$$ to be made. Big Businesses, nfl, etc.


8 posted on 01/30/2014 9:51:27 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: rktman

The Wounded Warriors Project is anti-American, I give to almost all veterans’ groups (especially the USO) but not one dime to the Wounded Warriors Project.


9 posted on 01/30/2014 9:52:34 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Amen to Fisher House.

They do great things for the families of the wounded here at Walter Reed and Bethesda Naval Hospital.


10 posted on 01/30/2014 9:55:52 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: 2001convSVT

I steal their stamps whenever they send me their propaganda....TAKE THAT YOU FAKERS!


11 posted on 01/30/2014 10:00:08 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: rktman
It's part of a larger problem of "non-profit" "charity" organizations being set up to primarily benefit their officers.

Wealthy dad sets up nonprofit, appoints kids, grandkids, and kids of friends as trustees. He's then able to donate money to it, deduct the money from his taxes, and the money goes to his grandkids.

Interesting article: Is Harvard Just a Tax-Free Hedge Fund?

12 posted on 01/30/2014 10:00:56 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I wonder if they pay FOX for all of those ads - which would make FOX News complicit.


13 posted on 01/30/2014 10:08:43 AM PST by privatedrive
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To: rktman
Charity Navigator page for Wounded Warrior Project
14 posted on 01/30/2014 10:08:55 AM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: rktman

Last Christmas we sent a hefty check to WW and to Fisher House. Wounded Warriors hasn’t left us alone.. The amount of solicitations is overwhelming. I told hubby that the amount of money spent on mailings must be huge. They won’t get another dime from us. Fisher House is the way to go.


15 posted on 01/30/2014 10:13:00 AM PST by surrey
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To: rktman

I increased my donation to Fisher House this year. Never have and never will give one penny to WW Project.


16 posted on 01/30/2014 10:16:58 AM PST by Patriot365
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To: South40
Charity Navigator page for Fisher House Foundation

And even better is...

Charity Navigator page for Homes For Our Troops

17 posted on 01/30/2014 10:19:27 AM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Giving away $5 million and spending $88 million on salaries and fundraising IS a scam intended to enrich the heads of the organization.”

Can you cite these numbers ? Link to source ?


18 posted on 01/30/2014 10:21:06 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: rktman
Charity Navigator here:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12842

Many will surprise you.

19 posted on 01/30/2014 10:32:11 AM PST by pfflier
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To: All

I’m confused — the Charity Navigator links posted here seem to indicate that WWP’s overhead/efficiency is roughly in-line with other vets charities of a similar size.

They may have “only given away $5 million in grants,” but I don’t see why that is a big deal, as they are not a grant-making organization. They fund their own programs that they offer to vets free of charge.

Am I wrong?


20 posted on 01/30/2014 10:52:07 AM PST by Nightbird
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To: rktman
People should always investigate to insure that an organization is using money correctly. Having said that, people should not be too surprised that organizations act just as society expects. What do I mean by that? Well, Ive seen this from the other side, too.

Some years back the Mrs and a friend started a charity to raise money to find a cure for ALS. We didn't have our own tax id so all the money was given to a national organization that had made certain guarantees.

Everyone in the organization was entirely volunteer, real volunteers, not "compensated volunteers" that some organizations use. Everyone, including the Mrs and I worked entirely for free, almost all items used by the organization were donated by various organizations in return for being recognized as sponsors at events and those items that weren't donated were paid for out of the pockets of various volunteers that saw the need and chose to pay for it themselves. We made everything about the way things worked known up front to volunteers. We were surprised how many people came to help and the volunteers themselves were quite happy with the arrangement having been told up front how things were being done. One could say that 100%+ of raised donations was going to the cause.

Heres the interesting point. At events to raise money, people would occasionally ask about the organization and how we operated (Kudos for being wise enough to investigate us). When we explained, some of those that didn't know us directly and had come to the events to participate/donate were horrified. Yes, horrified is probably the best description. Horrified that no one was compensated for the work done. They absolutely insisted that a portion, not an insignificant portion, be paid to the volunteers, especially to the Mrs and I for "administering and leading" the organization.

We never did take anything and never did pay any volunteer for anything. For reasons unimportant to this post we eventually gave all of our records to another local charity we trusted, not the national one we worked with, and shut ours down.

As corny and cliché as it might sound, the actions of the volunteers restored a bit of my faith in humanity. The fact that so many recognized that a persons time was in fact money eased my fears that that capitalist concepts had been lost to society as a whole. The fact that some were disturbed by the fact that there was a charity that actually gave all its money to the specified cause made me realize that clueless members of society are to a degree responsible for many charities becoming little more than frauds.

(Note of special recognition in thanks to Matt Bracken whos donations were by far one of the most sought after, always drew significant donations at auction, and was one of the only items that always drew donations many times that of their face value.)

21 posted on 01/30/2014 10:52:15 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: rktman
I am a veteran but our entire family will not give the WW Project a dime since it was reported in the news that a Christian church raised lots of money for them from Christians who wanted to help and THEY REFUSED TO ACCEPT IT BECAUSE A CHRISTIAN CHURCH WAS DONATING IT TO THEM! Well, since the WW Project is offended and doesn't want monies coming from Christians living in a largely Christian nation, founded on the principles laid out in the Judeo/Christian Bible then the WW Project can "go pound sand!"

It is unfortunate and while our hearts go out to these wounded vets, we refuse to give to this organization which views Christians as a "pariah" and doesn't want our money. Well, so be it.

22 posted on 01/30/2014 11:00:38 AM PST by Jmouse007 (Deliver us from this evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: George from New England

It was in the article.


23 posted on 01/30/2014 11:04:27 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: George from New England

It was in the article. And the article has a link to the organization’s tax statement.


24 posted on 01/30/2014 11:05:08 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I went to Charity Navigator and the numbers there are no ways that bad.


25 posted on 01/30/2014 11:08:46 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: PapaBear3625

We just checked and the ceo/founder makes 300K+/yr.


26 posted on 01/30/2014 11:09:44 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: 2001convSVT

I like this one.

http://www.moveamericaforward.org/

The care packages to serving troops. :-)


27 posted on 01/30/2014 11:11:11 AM PST by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: rktman

I find their ‘commercials’ despicble because the portray our men in the military as pitiable.

The misguided men they have under contract seem not to be bothered if they end up being pitied and that is a shame but maybe the residuals the are paided, trumps that.

Wounded Warriors Project have adopted the same model as the pet sites that advertise for donations because they know ‘pity sells’.


28 posted on 01/30/2014 11:21:37 AM PST by RetSignman
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To: South40
It's hard to beat this rating for Homes For Our Troops.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=11553#.UuqmY_T_nm5

Wounded Warrior Project doesn't come close.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12842#.UuqmUPT_nm5

29 posted on 01/30/2014 11:23:47 AM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: rktman

I liked when Tom Gresham tore that WWP guy to pieces on his show.


30 posted on 01/30/2014 11:25:47 AM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: rktman

We just checked and the ceo/founder makes 300K+/yr.
*****
And that’s an organization which has been granted ‘not for profit’ status.


31 posted on 01/30/2014 11:30:03 AM PST by RetSignman
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off of Charity Nav :

Financial Performance Metrics
Program Expenses
(Percent of the charity’s budget spent on the programs
and services it delivers) 57.9%
Administrative Expenses 5.6%
Fundraising Expenses 36.3%
Fundraising Efficiency $0.23
Primary Revenue Growth 78.6%
Program Expenses Growth 62.9%
Working Capital Ratio (years) 0.93


32 posted on 01/30/2014 11:34:20 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: rktman

Most big-ticket charities are scams. Small percent to help people, large portion to ads and corporate salaries.


33 posted on 01/30/2014 11:34:26 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: rktman

All special groups are a waste. The government should be providing all wounded warriors need. We quit them.


34 posted on 01/30/2014 11:42:09 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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All special groups are a waste. The government should be providing all wounded warriors need. We quit them.

That's a ridiculous statement. The report indicates Wounded Warrior has 56% efficiency for delivery of services. I would like you to name a single government program that can hit even 50%. Most government programs are lucky to hit 40%.

35 posted on 01/30/2014 12:08:11 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: rktman

WW helps a few people then uses them as props to get money. They refuse money from Christian organizations and firearm related groups.


36 posted on 01/30/2014 12:11:05 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: CMAC51

Who is hell is measuring efficiency with regard to wounded military? It is who is providing the care and I say the VA and they should be doing all the vet needs without the necessity for a fund raising group to participate. If the vet needs something that groups provide then the VA should do it and everything else without limit or efficiency. That’s what the wounded vet deserves.


37 posted on 01/30/2014 1:00:02 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: ex-snook
Who is hell is measuring efficiency with regard to wounded military? It is who is providing the care and I say the VA and they should be doing all the vet needs without the necessity for a fund raising group to participate. If the vet needs something that groups provide then the VA should do it and everything else without limit or efficiency. That’s what the wounded vet deserves.

That is a totally emotional argument that does not stand up to logic. Either way the money comes out of my pocket. If I give a dollar to Wounded Warrior 56 cents of it gets spent on servicing the vet. If I pay a dollar in taxes about 35 cents of it gets spent on the vet. Where is the better place for my dollar to go if my only concern is care for the vet?

38 posted on 01/30/2014 1:05:48 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: CMAC51
"If I pay a dollar in taxes about 35 cents of it gets spent on the vet."

Do you have a source or is that pulled out of the air?

39 posted on 01/30/2014 1:11:36 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: ex-snook
Do you have a source or is that pulled out of the air?

Not in hand at the moment. I read it in a recent report about government efficiency. I'm not going to go to the trouble to look it up at this time, but I do invite you to provide me with even one example of a government program that delivers an efficieny of 50% or above.

40 posted on 01/30/2014 1:45:28 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: rktman

Another one I would like to see some numbers on is the Kentucky Based Charity USA CARES. They have been around for about ten years now they have changed directors numerous times and they take in lots of huge donations from all over the country. One of their founders was recently indicted for failure to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in state sales taxes on a restaurant he owns.


41 posted on 01/30/2014 2:34:18 PM PST by cquiggy
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To: rktman
Evidently there is more to this story as evidenced by this comment on that website:

Ken Fields on January 30, 2014 at 2:30 pm said:

Mr. Graham should avail himself of a good resource on how to read IRS Form 990, such as the one from the Nonprofit Coordinating Committee of New York (http://www.npccny.org/new990/new990.htm).

For Wounded Warrior Project (WWP), the information in Form 990 has been audited by an independent firm of CPAs. The audited financial statements of WWP are available on its website.

If Mr. Graham understood Form 990, he would find that according to the 2011 Form 900 for the WWP, 73% of its expenses were for program activities to provide vital programs and services to severely wounded service members, i.e., the activities forming its basis for exemption from tax. It was not “pennies on the dollar” as Mr. Graham stated. The balance of the expenses for WWP were for 6% for management and general administrative, and 21% for fund raising.

What do watchdog groups say should be spent on program activity? The BBB Wise Giving Alliance recommends that nonprofits spend at least 65% of its annual expenses on program activity, while the American Institute of Philanthropy sets its minimum standard at 60% of expenses. The WWP exceeds both of these recommendations by spending 73% on program activity.

Because WWP provides services directly to veterans, it is not necessary for WWP to make grants to other organizations to provide services. This is why the grants given to other organizations by WWP totaled only $5.5 million dollars.

Of the $21 million in salaries, 85% (nearly $18 million) was for program activities such as combat stress recovery, physical health & rehabilitation, family support services, and Warriors to Work, among others, that WWP provides. How does WWP set the compensation of its Mr. Nardizzi, the CEO/Executive Director? An independent compensation consultant makes a recommendation to the Board of Directors based on a compensation study and what comparable organizations pay.

I have reviewed the IRS Form 990 of nonprofits for 40 years. Based on my review of WWP, it is an outstanding organization.

42 posted on 01/30/2014 3:01:25 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I think I've lost my mojo.....)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Ya might want to read the comment left on that website by Ken Fields before you jump off the cliff of conclusions.........


43 posted on 01/30/2014 3:03:41 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I think I've lost my mojo.....)
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To: CodeToad
don't people realize that WW might have started out right but was corrupted by the left to show how "patriotic" the commie left are?...

just look at the number of celebs doing tv spots and that is your answer...

the left wants to show how great they are and what better way than to co-opt an organization helping vets?....

they tried this many years ago by starting their own Hunting and Fishing group to counteract the NRA.....

44 posted on 01/30/2014 10:42:53 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: cherry

It never started out right. It was designed from the beginning to be what it is.


45 posted on 01/31/2014 6:44:34 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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