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How the GOP Lost Middle America
World Net Daily ^ | 18 hours ago (January 30, 2014) | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 01/31/2014 10:25:32 AM PST by KGeorge

Edited on 01/31/2014 10:31:28 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: 1rudeboy

BUMP!


41 posted on 01/31/2014 11:18:03 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I'm not sure what you're implying. There recordings are there, honest.

If you're looking for a chance to zap someone with cute little zingers you'll have to look elsewhere.

42 posted on 01/31/2014 11:19:48 AM PST by skeeter
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To: nascarnation

Michigan also passed RTW.


43 posted on 01/31/2014 11:20:16 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: CitizenUSA

This has been the situation in S Texas (probably in many of the southern border states) for as long as I can remember. (I worked in the construction industry in the late 70s/ 80s) The difference has come in that illegals have spread out nationwide (& into at least, British Columbia) because they’re able to do so.

There is a huge problem (& there was some problem, back then) with the regulations & extra hoops that small business owners have to/ had to jump through. Small business has been under a multi-pronged assault for a long time.

And you make an excellent point in your post after that wrt to illegals (& some owners) wanting things to remain ‘under the table’. I’d say that is spot on.

The whole thing is delusional- unrealistic at best. A vicious cycle. Which is why Eisenhower’s approach was correct.


44 posted on 01/31/2014 11:25:11 AM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: skeeter
I'm not being cute, and I'm not implying anything. You are suggesting that something happened to Reagan's view after the 1980 Election, when the author of this very article states that he was "...the biggest free-trader in the building, except for the fellow down the hall, who was Ronald Reagan," as late as 1985.
45 posted on 01/31/2014 11:25:16 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SamuraiScot

I don’t think that’s his point at all, Scot. And I think he’s kinda tipping the reader off by including the Trumka quote. I’m reasonably sure he was criticizing the practice of offshoring on it’s own & citing unions as a primary motivator (& it being understandable, which it is).
I can’t think of any time when I’ve seen him support- or even acquiesce in any way, to a union.


46 posted on 01/31/2014 11:32:08 AM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: nascarnation
"National GOP in trouble for sure. Republicans are doing pretty well in a lot of mid America. Indiana has a R supermajority in both legislatures and R gov and passed RTW. Wisconsin and Michigan have made good R gains also."

What you say is true about middle America, yet the population and subsequent electoral clout of flyover country no longer can compete with the urban and coastal strongholds of the progressives. When Texas eventually flips to blue it will be game over for conservatives. Demographics are both destiny and a b*tch.

47 posted on 01/31/2014 11:34:04 AM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: staytrue
The USA has been living off that legacy for a long time and the legacy advantages are now running out.

While working for as a time study analyst for a steel mill in the mid 1960s, I was surprised management allowed Japanese engineers to tour our cutting edge computer controlled rolling mill and take photos. We gave away our technology and, through the Marshall Plan, built the economies of our former enemies gratis long ago. That steel mill went broke not long thereafter. The mindboggling labor costs their management agreed to in "negotiations" with the USW union priced them out of the market too.

48 posted on 01/31/2014 11:38:29 AM PST by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of ObamaÂ’s America)
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To: CitizenUSA

I’ve also met businessmen who were put out of business in this manner.

The Free traders are making China a bigger threat than the Soviet Union ever was. All for a buck.

The Republicans had plenty of help from Democrats in this.

I voted for Bush 1, but if I could go back in time, I would vote for Perot. Will never vote for a Bush or GOEe types again.


49 posted on 01/31/2014 11:39:37 AM PST by crusher2013
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To: KGeorge
"Well, except for 'PJB right again'. "

I just read some 40 odd posts. The topic was about how the GOP lost middle America. Reading the posts convinced me that PJB is also predicting the future, there is no interest in the GOP in bringing back middle America.

50 posted on 01/31/2014 11:40:45 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: crusher2013
" I would vote for Perot. "

I did. He heard the trade sucking sound that current politicians still do not hear. He was ahead of his time.

51 posted on 01/31/2014 11:46:39 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: ex-snook

Sad :-) I don’t think that requires any “psychic” ability, anymore. The $64,000 question is what are we going to do about it?
It’s getting later by the minute.


52 posted on 01/31/2014 11:47:16 AM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: KGeorge
"The $64,000 question is what are we going to do about it?"

To sort of paraphrase Clinton, it depends on the meaning of 'we'. If 'we' is the GOP forget about it. If "we" is the Tea Party, they are hung up on Government costs. We need another Perot or Buchanan who puts America before the rest of the world.

53 posted on 01/31/2014 11:52:17 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: ex-snook

AAA-MEN!!! (Sorry for yelling. I just couldn’t help myself)


54 posted on 01/31/2014 11:55:48 AM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: KGeorge

I was surprised at what he said, too. But he never cleared up that he wasn’t endorsing union extortion, and he seemed to be saying corporations were wrong to want to avoid American unions—who indeed had some of “the best-paid workers in the world.” That can be good or bad.


55 posted on 01/31/2014 11:59:29 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: ex-snook

I’m not normally a fan of PJB, however:

“Since 1990, some 30 to 40 million immigrants, legal and illegal, have entered the country. This huge increase in the labor force, at the same time the U.S. was shipping factories abroad, brought massive downward pressure on wages. The real wages of Middle Americans have stagnated for decades.”

He nailed it. That time is also when productivity went way up.

The party that stands up for Middle America will be the dominant party of century. We don’t have that party right now. We currently have a choice between the Big Business Party and the Big Government Party.


56 posted on 01/31/2014 12:05:55 PM PST by crusher2013
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To: KGeorge

Path of destruction.

If citizenship is not part of the package we will still have millions of people who don’t belong here taking jobs our citizens need at such low wages they will still be overwhelming social services at taxpayer expense.

If citizenship is not part of the package there will be an immediate cry of civil rights and they will then be given citizenship.

At the point they are given citizenship they will no longer be cheap labor that is willing to work in substandard/dangerous conditions. Companies will still want cheap labor so more illegals will be allowed in the country to fill that desire.

Rinse/repeat until we no longer have a country...

Not to mention many are absolute criminals, and have no desire to work here only to commit crimes here. Not to mention the pro-illegal groups will give credit to Democrats alone so all the new voters will vote D forever.


57 posted on 01/31/2014 12:19:17 PM PST by Tammy8
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To: SamuraiScot

Sure (wrt to being good or bad). Maybe he was assuming that it would be understood/ writing to his “usual” audience. He has a following (of which I am a proud member), so that would make sense to me. I’ve never noticed that he does that, but then, I probably wouldn’t.

It’s true. We did have some of “the best paid workers in the world”- union & non-union. That’s what makes this such an issue. In a relatively short time, we have gone from a socially & economically stable society, in general, to reaching a crisis point.

One of the things I have in common with Pat Buchanan is that, to some degree, I am almost an isolationist & a “Paleocon”. Unfettered “free trade” & globalism has, imho, been proved- not just a failure, but a disaster for the West. America’s a mess. Europe’s a mess. Everything has been shifted to the third world. Not so smart because some of that *isn’t* so stable. Will prosperity change that?

The globalists/ communists have really turned us inside out. It’s no surprise that the (now) multinational corporations are at the head of this. It wasn’t called that, but kind of the same structure was in play in the Soviet Union & more recently, China. Probably in national socialist Germany as well.


58 posted on 01/31/2014 12:24:41 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Alex Murphy

Alex, wages were the major cost. Regulation is expensive, very much so, but if your work forces is paid less than 25% of what they are in the US, regulation doesn’t matter much.

We decided to follow the British Empire in the free trade game, without acknowledging that the died as a result.


59 posted on 01/31/2014 12:25:05 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tammy8

It really is. Self destruction/ suicide. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a country foment invasion by invitation before. Europe is doing it too. With them, it is the Muslims & Africans. America, add Latin America.

What makes it *so* mind boggling is the timing. We’re in such bad shape, economically. China isn’t allowing this & certainly not promoting it. I don’t think India is, either.


60 posted on 01/31/2014 12:40:21 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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