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Rand Paul: I donít think we should impose new Iran sanctions while negotiations are ongoing
Hot Air ^ | January 31, 2014 | Allahpundit

Posted on 02/01/2014 5:57:04 AM PST by SoConPubbie

Via Think Progress, this one’s a few days old but worth noting belatedly. Skip to 4:25 for the key bit. Three weeks ago, this would have been a big deal legislatively. Rumors were swirling at the time that the Senate had 67 votes — a veto-proof majority — to slam Iran with a new round of sanctions that would, in theory, pressure them to faithfully carry out their obligations under the Geneva nuclear deal. The Iranians countered that new sanctions would be a dealbreaker; Obama threatened to veto them if they passed, but 67 votes would mean taking the pen out of his hand. The mystery, then: How would Rand Paul, potentially the 67th vote, come down on the question when his dovish libertarian fans and more hawkish conservative ones were at odds? The answer, as it turned out, was that it doesn’t matter. After the news broke about a veto-proof majority congealing in the Senate, the White House and various interest groups went into overdrive in pressuring pro-sanctions Democrats to back down. It worked. Chris Coons, one of the original sponsors of a new round of sanctions, had a change of heart, as did Richard Blumenthal. The pen is back in Obama’s hand so Paul’s vote is academic.

Academic, but still interesting and relevant to the future of Republican foreign policy. Support for new sanctions is nearly unanimous among Senate GOPers, with Paul and Jeff Flake, as far as I know, constituting a caucus of two in showing reluctance. Marco Rubio backs sanctions and thinks the Senate still has a shot at a veto-proof majority on them. Ted Cruz called Obama’s SOTU threat to veto a sanctions bill “one of the most dangerous things in the entire speech” and compared his handling of Iran to Clinton’s handling of eventual nuclear power North Korea in the 90s. This is, in other words, a glaring point of contention between Paul and his presidential rivals on a hot-button foreign policy issue. It’s bound to figure in the debates next year, maybe prominently. If negotiations break down, it’s a cinch that the field’s more hawkish candidates will use his wait-and-see approach to bludgeon him for his dovish naivete. Paul will have defenses to that — he voted for Iran sanctions in the past, and he says here that he’d prefer to keep existing sanctions in effect until there’s proof that Iran’s complying with the Geneva terms (although Iran never would have agreed to that) — but no one knows if they’ll work. The whole thrust of his opponents’ criticism on foreign policy will be that he’s too much like his father to be trusted to defend the country robustly. They’re looking around for data points to support that thesis; if negotiations collapse, this’ll be seized eagerly. And of course Paul knows it, which is why it’s safe to say he’s giving his honest opinion here. He’s already got the libertarian vote. All this can do is get hawkish voters to say “hmmmm.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americafirster; cruz; iran; kentucky; lebanon; rand; randpaul; waronterror

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1 posted on 02/01/2014 5:57:04 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Another loser. Alas. He seemed to look good there at first.


2 posted on 02/01/2014 6:05:05 AM PST by faithhopecharity (C?)
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To: faithhopecharity
Another loser. Alas. He seemed to look good there at first.

Yes he did.

I had high hopes he was a much improved, without the baggage, version of his dad.

But I was wrong.
3 posted on 02/01/2014 6:06:33 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Obama decided a long time ago that he would never go to war to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. This agreement allows Iran to keep its nuclear infrastructure intact and unmolested. It is a political fig leaf that does not prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. Rand Paul finds himself in agreement with this policy. He will not endorse American involvement in a foreign war unless the security of the US is clearly at risk. Also the American people are war weary. They are reeling from the enormous futile human and material sacrifices in Afghanistan and Iraq.


4 posted on 02/01/2014 6:09:52 AM PST by allendale
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To: allendale

Just like Daddy, Anto-Semite


5 posted on 02/01/2014 6:11:25 AM PST by scooby321
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To: allendale
Rand Paul finds himself in agreement with this policy. He will not endorse American involvement in a foreign war unless the security of the US is clearly at risk.

And this shows only too painfully, why Rand Paul will never be ready for the POTUS seat.

There is no more clear example of a nation who clearly puts our security at risk, than Iran headed up by a radical Muslim who thinks he is the 12th Imam and wants to wipe Israel off the map as he has continually publically stated. Add to that that Iran is the foremost offender of providing state-sponsored Terrorism and the myopic vision of Rand Paul is on full display.
6 posted on 02/01/2014 6:14:33 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Sanctions are pointless considering we’ve been giving waivers for years. (no not just Obama)


7 posted on 02/01/2014 6:17:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Sanctions are pointless considering we’ve been giving waivers for years. (no not just Obama)

I doubt the veracity of that statement.

Furthermore, with a problem like Iran, you do everything you can do, in the moment, given the current political situation (re: Obama and a Democrat controlled Senate) to hamper the Terrorists in Iran.
8 posted on 02/01/2014 6:18:38 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Doubt it all you want. Not everybody has what it takes to face reality.


9 posted on 02/01/2014 6:20:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Just remember this, boys and girls, one nuclear bomb, in the hands of the Iranians, is all it will take to plunge the world into a World War to end all wars.


10 posted on 02/01/2014 6:24:49 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Via Think Progress”

Enough said.

Rand Paul 2016!


11 posted on 02/01/2014 6:26:28 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SoConPubbie

“But I was wrong”

No surprise there.


12 posted on 02/01/2014 6:28:47 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SoConPubbie

“But I was wrong”

No surprise there.


13 posted on 02/01/2014 6:30:57 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SoConPubbie

There was once a consensus in this country that Iran was a bizarre theocratic dictatorship who’s leaders were fond of making apocalyptic threats. What’s more an examination of their theology reveals that they indeed “embrace death” as others look to live. Clearly a dangerous bunch to have nuclear weapons. However elections matter. An ill informed, war weary American people reelected an incompetent man with a flawed world view as President. He has allowed the US and Israel to be relegated to an untenable strategic position. If Israel were to attack Iran, Chinese supplied mobile ballistic missiles positioned in Syria would result in a devastating Iranian counterattack. If America were to be involved in the shooting , shore to ship missiles lining the Persian Gulf would create a debacle for the US capital ships operating in those narrow, shallow waters. The time to act was three years ago.


14 posted on 02/01/2014 6:36:16 AM PST by allendale
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To: SoConPubbie

The Paul’s love Islamic radicals and hate the Jews. Just reading comments from their drones proves the point.


15 posted on 02/01/2014 6:39:33 AM PST by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: allendale
The time to act was three years ago.

Sorry, but when we are talking about Nuclear Bombs and Crazy Iranians, the time to act is ALWAYS NOW!

The American Ideal is to never give up and to always do the right thing.

If you want to be a surrender monkey, you're not much of a conservative.
16 posted on 02/01/2014 6:42:06 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Lew Rockwell again.


17 posted on 02/01/2014 6:43:46 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“Rand Paul 2006”

Who will be his running mate, Farrakan, Reverend Wright?


18 posted on 02/01/2014 6:44:25 AM PST by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: SoConPubbie

Inside every LiberTopian is a radical leftist.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 6:47:53 AM PST by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: SoConPubbie

Negotiations for what? These people want to KILL us and DESTROY our country ... that’s negotiable?


20 posted on 02/01/2014 7:27:34 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SoConPubbie
"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all." -- President Ronald Reagan

Yet Reagan did exactly that by naming the Progressive RINO Bush as his VP, sowing the seeds of the unraveling of his legacy.

21 posted on 02/01/2014 7:41:56 AM PST by montag813
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To: SoConPubbie; All

The fact that anyone still considers Randmesty Paul a conservative and a GOP frontrunner in 2016....means there are a lot of Low Info Voters on our side of the fence

I wonder if people really read the articles on FR, and can comprehend them? Randmesty is no conservative...and he is the stealth version of his father


22 posted on 02/01/2014 8:10:34 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (A Theory is not a Fact....It is not called the "Fact of Evolution")
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To: SoConPubbie

We agree completely. I had same hopes for him.


23 posted on 02/01/2014 8:25:47 AM PST by faithhopecharity (C?)
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To: SeminoleCounty
"Low Info Voters"

There are a lot of low info voters who think foreign policy breaks out along the line of republican versus democrat or conservative versus liberal.

The reality is that each party has foreign policy groups that don't always agree and they don't agree on this issue of imposing more sanctions on Iran before the negotiations are completed.

In the republican party there are Realists, NeoCons, and Isolationists.
In the democrat party there are Realists, Liberal Interventionists, and Antiwar Pacifists.

So what we have is a piece of Senate legislation that was written by and cosponsored by both democrats and republicans and this legislation advocates for these additional sanctions. And we can look and see exactly which republicans and which democrats have signed onto the legislation. All the democrats supporting the additional sanctions are Liberal Interventionists. All of the republicans supporting the additional sanctions are NeoCons.

Meanwhile, there is another group composed of both republicans and democrats who didn't sign on to the legislation, and some of these republicans and some of these democrats have publicly spoken out against the legislation. Rand Paul is just the latest.

With that in mind, we can say that the Realists(D's and R's) oppose the additional sanctions plus the Isolationist republicans and the Antiwar Pacifist dems oppose the additional sanctions.

The very prominent dem Realist, Diane Feinstein, and the very prominent GOP Realist, Bob Corker, have spoken out against the additional sanctions. As for Rand Paul, he is an Isolationist, but he knows an Isolationist can't get elected prez, so tries to masquerade as a Realist.

There is another interesting aspect of this. The Israeli Lobby group AIPAC, has been very out spoken in their support for the additional sanctions while the Israeli Lobby group J Street, has been very outspoken in opposing the additional sanctions.

24 posted on 02/01/2014 9:54:38 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: SoConPubbie

Keep talking Rand. The more you do, the more we see that even though you are a small government (sometimes) libertarian, you are not really all that conservative. I’m sort of sick of how you take on an issue and seem to take a stand, get all the accolades, then when it comes for a vote, you vote for it, afterwards saying that it was going to pass, anyway! I’m done with you!


25 posted on 02/01/2014 10:06:37 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: SoConPubbie

Coons and Blumenthal, good little Obama toadies.


26 posted on 02/01/2014 1:23:41 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoConPubbie
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27 posted on 01/30/2015 8:23:37 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

Man Mozilla, that is a great list of inconvenient facts where Rand Paul is concerned!

Mind if I use it in the future?

Thanks,

SCP


28 posted on 01/30/2015 10:21:23 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Nah I don’t mind. You can go ahead and spread it around so that people can learn the truth of the guy. He is a mini Romney because of his flip flopping and confusing shifts.

It sounds to me like he is trying to appease everyone on the right to win the White House, but he not only is contradicting himself; he is doing some odd stuff.


29 posted on 01/30/2015 11:57:11 AM PST by Mozilla
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