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To: PapaBear3625

Where I seem to differ is that you can’t have a spectrum on a binary issue. One can not be semi preggers, nor can one partially kill their child.

I catch hell for seeing many things in black and white. But many things ARE black and white. There is alive/dead. There is Lib/Conservative. There is dark/light. And it is a waste of time to engage in the philosophy of why black is black/white is white. It serves only to draw out a given issue to avoid a line/call.

Here’s the logic as I see it. You have a live breathing child or a dead child called medical waste in the bottom of a garbage can. Abortion OR not at any stage results in one OR...OR...OR the other. There is no graded curve of anything.

One cannot define a ‘living cell’ as not being alive and have it make sense. A human cemm destened to be a fetus will not then grow into a Porsche or a gopher. There is one potential outcome (assuming a normal term pregnancy). A live human child.

Or there is so called medical waste.

Nothing between to discuss, entertain, contemplate or philosophize. Nothing. Opinions people may hold are opinions. Facts are what they are. People need to start thinking about facts instead of pondering the opinions of whoever.


244 posted on 02/04/2014 5:50:08 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Where I seem to differ is that you can’t have a spectrum on a binary issue. One can not be semi preggers, nor can one partially kill their child.

There can be a spectrum in how much you care.

If somebody was trying to kill one of my kids, I would care enough to take drastic action. Somebody killing kids in Syria? It is not something I'm happy about, but it's not something I'm going to go to Syria to do anything about. It's not even something I would support sending our troops over to do something about. I care more about the welfare of our troops than I do about the residents of Syria. That's how it is.

At one point, I found out one of my old college buddies was down on his luck and living in a homeless shelter. I took him in and let him live with us until he got a job and moved out. Am I going to do that for a complete stranger? No. Does the fact that people are starving to death in the Third World mean that I will impoverish my own family in order to help some Third World kids to survive? No. Don't care that much. You can consider me a bad person for feeling that way, it won't bother me. I doubt you would impoverish your own kids for the benefit of kids in the Third World either.

Am I in favor of abortion? No.

Am I going to quit my job and spend my days demonstrating in front of abortion clinics to convince women to not have abortions? No. Are you?

245 posted on 02/04/2014 6:06:00 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Here’s the logic as I see it. You have a live breathing child or a dead child called medical waste in the bottom of a garbage can. Abortion OR not at any stage results in one OR...OR...OR the other. There is no graded curve of anything.

Adding to my previous response: Would you actually respond to prevent a first trimester abortion the same way you would respond to prevent the murder of a three year old? I would respond with deadly force to prevent the murder of a three year old in front of me. Would you? I would not use force to prevent a woman from entering an abortion clinic. Would you? Would you advocate that a woman who gets an abortion be subjected to the same penalty as a woman who commits first degree murder?

If your answer to any of the above questions is "no", then you are not as "black/white" as you say.

Answer quickly, as I think this thread will be pulled soon, rather than have a frank discussion on these points.

250 posted on 02/04/2014 6:26:00 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“One cannot define a ‘living cell’ as not being alive and have it make sense.”

But you could define a single living cell as not sufficiently well developed to be able to be endowed with a soul.

I guess if you had a bare car engine on the assembly line waiting to grow into being a car that can move about, I don’t think you would call a car engine an “unborn car”.


251 posted on 02/04/2014 6:26:35 AM PST by staytrue
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