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Cop cuffs fireman in crash site dispute
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 2/5/2014 | Pauline Repard

Posted on 02/05/2014 10:49:54 AM PST by South40

CHULA VISTA — A Highway Patrol officer handcuffed and briefly detained a firefighter in a disagreement over a fire engine being in a freeway traffic lane after an accident Tuesday night.

Top officers from the Chula Vista and San Diego fire departments are meeting with a counterpart from the the Highway Patrol today to determine just what led the officer to take such an unusual step.

“We’ll try to come to an understanding of what happened,” Chula Vista fire Chief Dave Henneman said.

The fire crews were helping victims from a crash on southbound I-805 between Telegraph Canyon Road and East Naples Drive, officials said. A sedan overturned about 9:20 p.m. and a second vehicle was reported down an embankment.

Henneman said the firefighters positioned a fire engine behind the ambulance to protect the people as they were being loaded inside.

"Our firefighters are trained to use the engine to protect the scene," Henneman said. He also said, "Our No. 1 priority is the safety of our firefighters and patients.”

When the CHP officer told the firefighter to move the engine, the firefighter said he would have to check with his captain, Henneman said.

“We work on a chain of command,” the chief said. “The officer said, ‘No, you need to move now or you’ll be arrested.’ ”

A CBS8 news video shows the firefighter jumping over a low concrete freeway divider, putting his hands behind his back and being cuffed. The CHP officer led him to a patrol car, put him in the back seat and detained him there for several minutes.

After supervisors from both agencies were called in, the firefighter was released, Henneman said.

The dispute raises the question of who has greater authority to control an emergency scene along a freeway — the CHP or fire personnel.

Henneman said the CHP also ordered a San Diego Fire-Rescue Department engine crew to leave the crash site, so San Diego Fire Chief Javier Mainar also joined the Wednesday morning meeting with the CHP at Chula Vista fire headquarters.

CHP Officer Jake Sanchez, a spokesman for the agency, said he was still gathering information about the incident and had no comment. He said he believed acting Cmdr. Karyn Mentink would be attending the meeting.

“Right now, everything is under review,” Sanchez said.

Henneman said he didn’t know of any similar incidents like this between fire and CHP personnel in San Diego County, but that he had heard of some disputes elsewhere in the state.

“I know clearing the freeway is a priority for the CHP,” Henneman said. “(But) we’re all there to help people."

Two of the crash victims were first reported as being critically injured. Only one was taken to a hospital.

The Highway Patrol's website noted at 9:41 p.m. that a fire unit was parallel parking in the left lane. A few minutes later there was a note that fire units were blocking the left two lanes. All lanes were reported open by 10:32 p.m.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: badgeboys; donutwatch
It's nice to see our local 1st responders working so well together. /s
1 posted on 02/05/2014 10:49:54 AM PST by South40
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To: South40

In WV the firefighters run the scene. Cops assist. We had a medic get threatened with arrest by a state trooper when he interfered. And yes, firefighters can have you arrested.


2 posted on 02/05/2014 10:54:59 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: South40

3 posted on 02/05/2014 10:55:28 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: South40

Too bad there isn’t a test that could predict Ego-Inflamation.


4 posted on 02/05/2014 10:56:20 AM PST by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: South40

The Fireman should immediately file FELONY KIDNAPPING charges against the CHP Thug. See OJ in Vegas


5 posted on 02/05/2014 10:56:40 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: South40

Boys arguing about whose is bigger.


6 posted on 02/05/2014 10:57:13 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: South40

The frightening thing is the man with the gun thinks his personal judgment can overrule other first responders. This law enforcement attitude must be stopped.


7 posted on 02/05/2014 10:58:00 AM PST by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: South40

He was lucky he was not killed. Cops have killed people for less.


8 posted on 02/05/2014 10:59:32 AM PST by sport
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To: Procyon
This law enforcement attitude must be stopped.

hear, hear!

9 posted on 02/05/2014 11:01:34 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: South40

I have a vague memory of this happening before here in so cal over positioning of fire vehicles. LEO’s want complete obedience from everyone.


10 posted on 02/05/2014 11:02:55 AM PST by catbertz
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To: meatloaf

I believe this is the case in most jurisdictions. I am thankful there are no interstate highways in the village where I am a first responder. Our one state highway is 45 MPH which keeps damage low to moderate in collisions.


11 posted on 02/05/2014 11:03:56 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: South40

On the other hand, the hose draggers are generally oblivious to the reality that unnecessary traffic jams will cause more accidents and more injured people. And yes, people do die in other accidents caused by traffic jams.
It isn’t just as simple as stop the world and pay no regard to the traffic problem. Both problems must be addressed, the first aid, and the freeway traffic.
But the cop should have handled that very differently. Retarded.


12 posted on 02/05/2014 11:06:18 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

ping.

Apparently the Dalmatian survived the encounter.


13 posted on 02/05/2014 11:07:05 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: South40
“We’ll try to come to an understanding of what happened,” Chula Vista fire Chief Dave Henneman said.

Let me explain it to you, Chief. There is a club, a very exclusive and powerful club. And you're not in it.

14 posted on 02/05/2014 11:07:45 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: colorado tanker
Boys arguing about whose is bigger.

This CHP officer is obviously very, ummm, excited to be doing his job...


15 posted on 02/05/2014 11:09:43 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: null and void

LOL!


16 posted on 02/05/2014 11:12:58 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: South40
Great.

Now we have government employees jacking up other government employees.

Lawyers for both sides will be paid by....you and me.

Somebody somewhere has to get control of the nation's cops. They look more like a street gang every day.

18 posted on 02/05/2014 11:23:23 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: null and void

You beat me to it. I was going to ask if any Dalmatians got shot.


19 posted on 02/05/2014 11:29:24 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: South40

At least he didn’t shoot their dalmatian. They aren’t cops anymore, they are obama’s GOON SQUAD.


20 posted on 02/05/2014 11:34:05 AM PST by macglencoe (You see what the left hand is doing, but you should be watching the right hand.)
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To: South40
“The officer said, ‘No, you need to move now or you’ll be arrested.’ ”

From the mall parking lot to traffic patrol.

21 posted on 02/05/2014 11:35:04 AM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: South40

The Bullies in Blue (BUBs) are out and about a lot lately.


22 posted on 02/05/2014 11:35:51 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: Real Cynic No More

Well, maybe for the California Highway Patrol they’re the Bullies in Brown! They’re the still the BuBs!


23 posted on 02/05/2014 11:37:07 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Ping.


24 posted on 02/05/2014 11:37:45 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: South40
“The officer said, ‘No, you need to move now or you’ll be arrested.’ ”

That really says it all right there. The CHP-head is so insecure that he immediately threatens arrest. I guess he showed restraint in not shooting the fireman.

25 posted on 02/05/2014 11:42:06 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: uncommonsense
From the mall parking lot to traffic patrol.

And right back to the mall parking lot, if reason and common sense were still legally available in California.

26 posted on 02/05/2014 11:52:55 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: South40

IF the story is true as reported, then the CHP officer is an overly aggressive, totalitarian a—hole who should be fired immediately.


27 posted on 02/05/2014 12:07:59 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: South40

Good thing the fireman didn’t have his dog with him...


28 posted on 02/05/2014 12:08:31 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: meatloaf

I think that is also true in Virginia.


29 posted on 02/05/2014 12:09:18 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: South40

This question was worked out for Chicago many years ago.
The coppers do NOT mess with the firemen.

There are many cops that are rough & tough and in top condition but not all of them.
The firemen have to prove they are in good shape or better; often.
I worked in a hospital,15+ floors, the employees were told to pull an alarm if they ‘smell anything’! The fire men were out about twice a week; half RUN up the stairs the rest use the elevators.All in boots and raincoats loaded to the max!
Saw it many times.

Many times they ran to the top because the sensors where in the mechanical penthouse; so shown on the alarm panel.


30 posted on 02/05/2014 12:25:31 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Uh,they aren’t called “raincoats”.
They call then turnouts.


31 posted on 02/05/2014 12:34:28 PM PST by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: peteyd

We call ours “bunker gear”, but I’ve heard “turnout gear” used in other far away parts of the state.


32 posted on 02/05/2014 12:41:16 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Sawdring

Has to be the thurd one on the left , typical little pick


33 posted on 02/05/2014 12:45:19 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: piroque

His name is Lt. Dangle.


34 posted on 02/05/2014 12:57:20 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: South40

Under Unified Command the ranking fire official, once on scene, has command of the entire incident. This would include traffic control. In the area of securing evidence or protection the police officer has the duty to intervene.


35 posted on 02/05/2014 1:10:46 PM PST by rsobin
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To: South40

“Brooklyn Nine Nine”?


36 posted on 02/05/2014 1:12:33 PM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: sport
He was lucky he was not killed. Cops have killed people for less.

Ever wonder why Firemen don't have DOGS on their trucks anymore? And why Dalmations seem to be so rare ?


37 posted on 02/05/2014 2:02:34 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: colorado tanker

Just two union goons arguing over who “owns” the turf. The cop goon wins because he has the gun. Heaven help us with people like this “serving us.”


38 posted on 02/05/2014 2:07:34 PM PST by vette6387
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To: UCANSEE2
I hadn't thought of that, but you are correct.

More and more people are telling me that they avoid all contact with the police and they no longer trust them.

39 posted on 02/05/2014 2:46:40 PM PST by sport
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To: UCANSEE2

Now that you mention it, I’m trying to think of the last time I saw a dalmatian on a fire truck....

Of course, there’s also the fact that the dogs’ original purpose was to keep other dogs and thieves away from the horses and equipment firemen used before automobiles were invented.


40 posted on 02/05/2014 2:58:47 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

The fireman should have turned on the police officer!


41 posted on 02/05/2014 4:38:08 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Procyon
This law enforcement attitude must be stopped.

This isn't "law enforcement." Germany of the late 30's and early 40's had a term for it -- Gestapo.

42 posted on 02/05/2014 7:23:33 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: minnesota_bound

Meant turn the firehose on the police officer....


43 posted on 02/05/2014 9:36:40 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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