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Pat Robertson begs Ken Ham to shut up
Salon Media Group ^ | 02/05/2014 | Elias Isquith

Posted on 02/06/2014 8:33:34 AM PST by PapaNew

Creationist Ken Ham is having his 15 minutes, following a live debate on evolution held between himself and Bill Nye “The Science Guy” on Tuesday.

And while you’d expect most folks to deem Nye the winner (which they have), Ham is receiving criticism from a source you might not expect: televangelist Pat Robertson.

On the Wednesday edition of his TV show, “The 700 Club,” Robertson indirectly implored Ham to put a sock in it, criticizing Ham’s view that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

“Let’s face it, there was a bishop [James Ussher] … who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years,” Robertson began. “There ain’t no way that’s possible … To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”

“We’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that’s found in science,” Robertson continued, “and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.”

“Let’s be real,” Robertson begged, “let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; creationism; darwinism; debate; hamnyedebate; intelligentdesign; kenham; patrobertson; youngearth
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That's kind of funny.

Too bad too, becasue intelligent design (ID) is solid, nails creation, and is based on Romans 1:20. The "age of rocks" debate, as in the 1925 Scopes trial, is misguided and irrelevant to ID and creation. Nobody know how many zillions of years ago the earth was formed. The Bible simply says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1). Genesis 1:2 begins what we call "creation" which is really a re-creation which can be traced to around 6000 years.

It's too bad because ID so easily wins the debate over Darwinism. The "age of rocks" debate is a rabbit hole and irrelevant.

1 posted on 02/06/2014 8:33:34 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

I had NO idea there were people who REALLY thought that the earth was only 6000 years!!! OMG!! How dumb and UNTHINKING can you get?? Is it because the Jewish religion is about 6000 yrs. old???


2 posted on 02/06/2014 8:37:02 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: PapaNew

Ken Ham has been around for decades. Were he getting only fifteen minutes, how would anyone at Salon even remember who he is?


3 posted on 02/06/2014 8:37:23 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: PapaNew

ALL rocks are the same age unless they are volcanic ones or meteor based.


4 posted on 02/06/2014 8:38:50 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: PapaNew

But it is NOT a rabbit hole.


5 posted on 02/06/2014 8:39:17 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: PapaNew

Cause we wouldn’t want a well-known Christian saying wacky things and bringing disrepute and embarrassment upon other Christians.

Wait a minute...


6 posted on 02/06/2014 8:41:10 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Ann Archy
ALL rocks are the same age unless they are volcanic ones or meteor based.

And the sedimentary rocks. And the metamorphic rocks. All those have different ages, too.
7 posted on 02/06/2014 8:43:47 AM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: PapaNew

“1925 Scopes trial, is misguided and irrelevant to ID and creation.”

As in the Scopes trail, the media managed to make the loser the winner and so Solon is trying to do the same thing. Nye didn’t win anything. And yes there is solid evidence for a 6000 year old earth, strange as that may seem to people pickled in Darwin from birth.


8 posted on 02/06/2014 8:44:53 AM PST by trapped_in_LA
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To: Ann Archy

That is not true. For example, the Grand Canyon has 40 different sedimentary layers dating from 200 million to 2 billion years old.


9 posted on 02/06/2014 8:45:16 AM PST by C19fan
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To: Ann Archy
ALL rocks are the same age unless they are volcanic ones or meteor based.

False

10 posted on 02/06/2014 8:47:56 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Ann Archy
I had NO idea there were people who REALLY thought that the earth was only 6000 years!!!

Young earthers are the embarrassing crazy uncle of freerepublic.
11 posted on 02/06/2014 8:48:19 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Ann Archy
Is it because the Jewish religion is about 6000 yrs. old???

No, it's becasue of a misunderstanding of the Book of Genesis in the Bible. Beginning with Genesis 1:3 is an account of what we call "creation," really a re-creation and can be traced to about 6000 years. The earth was already there. Before Genesis 1:3 was Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Nobody knows how long ago the earth was created.

12 posted on 02/06/2014 8:48:27 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: from occupied ga

OK....where is God making new rocks that aren’t volcanic??? Where are they?? Where do they GROW?? Please tell.


13 posted on 02/06/2014 8:48:59 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: ZX12R

just so!


14 posted on 02/06/2014 8:49:13 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: C19fan

Explain where NEW ROCKS come from?? Now if you are saying DUST from billions of years make up rock layers, I could agree, maybe.


15 posted on 02/06/2014 8:51:26 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

The issue is the origin of living things not the age of the earth.


16 posted on 02/06/2014 8:52:31 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Milton Miteybad; Ann Archy

“ALL rocks are the same age unless they are volcanic ones or meteor based.

And the sedimentary rocks. And the metamorphic rocks. All those have different ages, too.”

Almost all of the elements that make up this world are all the same age. (with the exception of radioactive decay) So in that sense, Ann is correct.


17 posted on 02/06/2014 8:52:46 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Milton Miteybad

So God sent down MORE ROCKS at different times?? Does that REALLY make any sense when you think about it??


18 posted on 02/06/2014 8:53:47 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: babygene

THANK YOU!! geesh, it doesn’t take a rocket doctor, but thanks.


19 posted on 02/06/2014 8:55:12 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

You mean there really are people who thoughtlessly believe everything Science tells us? OMG! How dumb and UNTHINKING can you get? Quick, blame the JEWS!


20 posted on 02/06/2014 8:55:45 AM PST by STYRO (War sucks. Living in slavery sucks even worse.)
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To: STYRO

What the HELL are you talking about??? I’m not blaming anyone.....I’ve NEVER heard anyone actually believe that the earth is only 6000 yrs. old....certainly not Jews...I think they are smarter than that, don’t you??


21 posted on 02/06/2014 8:57:47 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
I had NO idea there were people who REALLY thought that the earth was only 6000 years!!! OMG!! How dumb and UNTHINKING can you get??

PFL

22 posted on 02/06/2014 8:57:51 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

What is PFL??? Do tell.


23 posted on 02/06/2014 8:58:30 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: PapaNew

Robertson seems to forget his scripture in favor of appearing “intellectual” to the World...

Matt 19:26
Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”


24 posted on 02/06/2014 8:59:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: PapaNew
And now, even Part Robertson has been corrupted by the agents of Darwinian Evolution and their old earth theory.

But, if Pat Robertson had actually watched the debate, he would have learned a whole bunch from Mr. Ham as he refuted every wild claim by the Mr. Nye.

To the most important question, Mr. Nye had to admit that he was not there and could not observe the Creation.


25 posted on 02/06/2014 9:01:42 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Ann Archy

Wow. There sure are a lot of exclamation and question marks in this thread.


26 posted on 02/06/2014 9:02:08 AM PST by servo1969
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To: Ann Archy
"ALL rocks are the same age unless they are volcanic ones or meteor based."

Your blatant ignorance disqualifies you from any meaningful participation in this discussion.

27 posted on 02/06/2014 9:02:39 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: trapped_in_LA
Well, a careful and prayerful reading of the Bible does not necessitate the earth being 6000 years old, which idea seems to violate common sense.

Genesis 1:1 is a complete statement. God created the heavens and the earth. What God creates is complete and perfect. But then what? Well, we get Genesis 1:2. Something enormous and catastrophic has happened. Now we have "darkness" and "the deep" and "without form and void". Something big has happened between verse one and verse two. Nobody knows how long it took to get to verse two but a lot has happened between verse one and verse two. So the earth may very well be zillions of years old. True science only discovers the Bible has said all along.

28 posted on 02/06/2014 9:03:02 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Ann Archy

Believing the earth is only 6,000 years old takes the same amount of faith as believing it is billions of years old. Both require the same thing, faith in an unproven, and unprovable, theory.


29 posted on 02/06/2014 9:03:54 AM PST by STYRO (War sucks. Living in slavery sucks even worse.)
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To: C19fan

Could God make a Grand Canyon with layers of different “carbon datable” content?

Probably. Why? Why not? Did He?


30 posted on 02/06/2014 9:04:27 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ("The Pen" has a nice ring to it, kind of like "Graybar Hotel")
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To: Ann Archy
He created the processes that created the rocks, which occurred at different times for the different formations. And, yes, it makes a great deal of sense, when you think about it.

Of course, for an eternal being such as God, the concept of time, as we think of it, has no application.
31 posted on 02/06/2014 9:05:18 AM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Ann Archy

32 posted on 02/06/2014 9:05:39 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: PapaNew

Nye was paid $70,000 for this debate which is a farce. The proposal should have been, come to defend evolution for free. We are giving you a good platform for this

$70,000 is Nye’s standard speaking fee


33 posted on 02/06/2014 9:07:11 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: MrB
Robertson seems to forget his scripture in favor of appearing “intellectual” to the World...

Matt 19:26
Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

I think that the better scripture would be:

1 Corinthians 1:18-31

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
That no flesh should glory in his presence.

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

34 posted on 02/06/2014 9:07:40 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

Carbon dating doesn’t work beyond 10’s of thousands of years...

We have a recent example of how the Grand Canyon and its layers formed - the eruption of Mt St Helens gave us a “mini grand canyon” which formed rapidly from layers laid down in the eruption followed by carving out by rapidly moving water.

A similar but larger catastrophic event formed the grand canyon... the Flood, or more accurately, the retreat of the waters after the flood.


35 posted on 02/06/2014 9:08:05 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: dennisw

Nye net worth of $6.5 million and Nye was given $70,000 to show up for a debate


36 posted on 02/06/2014 9:08:25 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Ann Archy
"OK....where is God making new rocks that aren’t volcanic???"

You are digging yourself eve deeper into your "dumb hole". Sedimentary rocks are forming any place that sediment (aka "mud") settles out of water. Go take a third grade geology class...

37 posted on 02/06/2014 9:08:41 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Milton Miteybad

So tell me those Processes.


38 posted on 02/06/2014 9:09:15 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: dennisw

Bill Nye to debate creation activist online Tuesday ... before the event, for which the museum is paying Nye expenses plus a fee. The museum would not disclose the fee, but Nye’s normal speaking fee is $50,000 to $75,000, ...


39 posted on 02/06/2014 9:10:03 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Ann Archy

I’ll let Wikipedia do that for you. Search for “rock cycle.”


40 posted on 02/06/2014 9:12:15 AM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Ann Archy

Years ago a priest added up all the time spans given in the Bible and put together a timeline of 6000 years. He guessed at most of it.


41 posted on 02/06/2014 9:13:08 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: trapped_in_LA

There is absolutely ZERO evidence of a 6000 old Earth. None. It was made up by a priest.


42 posted on 02/06/2014 9:14:58 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: TXnMA

You are right......so when they say a “sedimentary rock” is 200 billion years old, does that account for the time it was here as MUD FIRST??


43 posted on 02/06/2014 9:16:10 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
I had NO idea there were people who REALLY thought that the earth was only 6000 years!!!

Yup, or close enough.

OMG!!

"Thou Shalt Not Take the Name of the LORD thy God in Vain".... But you get a pass for "OMG" (maybe it stands for 'Oh My Gravy' ... or something like that).

How dumb and UNTHINKING can you get??

You are calling a lot of not so dumb people dumb: Isaac Newton, Johan Kepler, Louis Pasteur, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, JC Maxwell, etc

Is it because the Jewish religion is about 6000 yrs. old???

No, it is based on a fair reading of the Bible and believing and understanding that it IS the Word of God. This includes Genesis, as well as the record of God's Word to Moses and the people of Israel when He spoke to them from the Holy Mount (Exodus 20: '...In six days the Lord made Heaven and Earth...'), as well as references from the Lord Jesus who vouched for the authenticity of the Law and the Prophets, who said at the beginning of Creation God made man and woman, who spoke of Noah and the Flood as reality.

There actually is much evidence for a <4.6B year old Earth.

44 posted on 02/06/2014 9:16:30 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: PapaNew

Sorry but the 6,000 year earth thing is just hogwash, it has no basis in anything. The debate between Nye and Ham was not a debate over ID or Darwin, it was at best a debate over young earth theory, which is a non starter.

A debate on ID/Evolution would have been interesting, instead we got a diatribe about a 6000 year old earth that doesn’t relate even to the written history of man. Let alone the actual history of the earth.

It was honestly a waste of about 3 hours of everyone’s time.


45 posted on 02/06/2014 9:16:31 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: MrB

Agree.

If God created a tree, and it was cut down immediately, how many rings would it have?

We count them for age, but it would be ‘new’.

Or did he create baby trees to grow up?


46 posted on 02/06/2014 9:16:38 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ("The Pen" has a nice ring to it, kind of like "Graybar Hotel")
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To: Scrambler Bob

My similar question is “how old was Adam when he was created?”


47 posted on 02/06/2014 9:17:13 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Scrambler Bob
Could God make a Grand Canyon with layers of different “carbon datable” content?

Carbon-dating only works with once-living mater.
Moreover, the half-life of C-14 is about 5,730 years; this limits the number of detectable half-life decays setting a dating limit of around 58,000 to 62,000 years.

Could He? well, God is all powerful… He could turn rocks into bread, so doing something like you're saying would qualify as a supernatural miracle of the same order.

48 posted on 02/06/2014 9:17:49 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CodeToad

Yeah, and Ham and all these others that have researched everything else so carefully just accepted his “guess” and didn’t do their own examination because they are so lazy.


49 posted on 02/06/2014 9:18:23 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: dennisw

“Bill Nye to debate creation activist online Tuesday ... before the event, for which the museum is paying Nye expenses plus a fee. The museum would not disclose the fee, but Nye’s normal speaking fee is $50,000 to $75,000, ...”

That is certainly damning evidence against Bill Nye as it is apparent that he took money for his attempt to influence our children to go against God and to buy into this evolution nonsense.

In the end, it has to be said that Bill Nye has been corrupted by money, not unlike the other so called scientists who are paid money to claim that there is Global Warming.


50 posted on 02/06/2014 9:19:50 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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