[nathanbedford]

Thug or not, he is acting like we would want our spineless conservative leaders to act.

Let's put aside the disclosures made on this thread by enterprising FReepers who have brought William S. Lind's Marxist affiliations to our attention, and ask why any conservative would want a leader to act like a thug?

Conservatism is not merely a philosophy which picks and chooses among issues that grow like weeds favoring some and opposing others on an ad hoc basis. Rather, conservatism is a coherent philosophy grounded in the rights of the individual, secured by a rule of law, and guaranteed by a Constitution. The coherent philosophy required to sustain those institutions and the adherence to those institutions indispensable to sustaining the philosophy is far greater than our abhorrence of a particular practice, such as sodomy.

Hitler himself may have been a sodomite, many of his Nazi collaborators might have been sodomites, but he did murder gays in the Nazi party in the Night of the Long knives. Are we then to say, mass murderer or not, Hitler behaved as we would want our conservative leaders to behave?

Gays are as protected under our Constitution as are Christians, of whom I count myself one. I will not have my Constitution subverted or the rule of law discarded or conservatism perverted in the service of homophobia.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

You are right, Nathanbedford. And we don’t want to end up like our liberal foes, who give aid and comfort to their own enemies simply because those enemies are also enemies to the United States and Western civilization.

[DesertRhino]

Lind is not a Marxist. That’s nuts. Someone is using the wiki entry and not understanding what they read. The guy is dedicated to fighting Marxism. He directed the area of a very conservative think tank that is studying the spread of it.

[Pelham]

“Let’s put aside the disclosures made on this thread by enterprising FReepers who have brought William S. Lind’s Marxist affiliations to our attention”

Lind doesn’t have “Marxist affiliations” anymore than a student of Nazi Germany has “Nazi affiliations”. He’s an historian studying Cultural Marxists in the US.

You all are remarkably casual at painting him with mud without having a clue as to what you are talking about.

[Just mythoughts]

Gays are as protected under our Constitution as are Christians, of whom I count myself one. I will not have my Constitution subverted or the rule of law discarded or conservatism perverted in the service of homophobia.

This is for sure out of LEFT field. Any Christian worth his/her salt sure ought to know this nation has been blessed because of her acknowledgment from her beginning who gives unalienable 'rights' that no man/government can give or take. What is this so called service of homophobia?

[867V309]

Gays are as protected under our Constitution as are Christians

So are terrorists. What is not protected is the fag agenda.

[NittanyLion]

Very good comment. While you’re not likely to find many supporters on this thread, what you described is the essence of conservatism.

[SoFloFreeper]

Good words, Nathan. I agree.

[Mount Athos]

Why any conservative would want a leader to act like a thug?

That's a very strange question.
Is this a trick question? What's the punchline?
I give up, why would they?

Hitler ... did murder gays in the Nazi party in the Night of the Long knives. Are we then to say, mass murderer or not, Hitler behaved as we would want our conservative leaders to behave?

Straw man attack of the year.

Nathan?
Where are these conservatives clamoring for hitler and the mass killing of gays?
Madness!
What does this have to do with the discussion at hand?

Gays are as protected under our Constitution as are Christians, of whom I count myself one. I will not have my Constitution subverted or the rule of law discarded or conservatism perverted in the service of homophobia.

So you are arguing against a position no one has advocated, and in the process grossly smeared conservatives as clamoring for the subversion of people's civil rights.
Who among us has advocated breaking the constitution and oppressing any minority? Come on now.


Russia doesn't have any laws against gay sex.
Many states in the USA still do.

Russia's law protecting minors from gay propaganda involves no jail sentence whatsoever and the equivalent of a 75 dollar fine. It wasn't unilaterally imposed by Putin -- it passed Russia's equivalent of congress.

Yet somehow you are talking as if gays in Russia are being sent en masse by Putin to death camps. I wonder where you are getting your information.

Hitler and the mass murder of gays?

[ilovesarah2012]

“Homophobia”??? Really??? What does that have to do with the Constitution?

[annalex]

Well said:

Conservatism is not merely a philosophy which picks and chooses among issues that grow like weeds favoring some and opposing others on an ad hoc basis. Rather, conservatism is a coherent philosophy grounded in the rights of the individual, secured by a rule of law, and guaranteed by a Constitution.

All that the supra-national, marxist at roots, KGB by methods, Russian Federation lacks. You do, however, mischaracterize in the raminder of your post, the Russian Federation's law against homosexual propaganda to minors as homophobic; it is, of course a gross stretch to compare it to physical extermination of gays.

Whether Putin ideologically, and especially in the context of history, is closer to Hitler than to Jefferson is a good question, but I dislike the comparisons of everything we don't like to Hitler so much as to propose to avoid the Nazi slur.

[Rennes Templar]

“The coherent philosophy required to sustain those institutions and the adherence to those institutions indispensable to sustaining the philosophy is far greater than our abhorrence of a particular practice, such as sodomy.”

Philosophy underlays ones actions. If leaders do not follow that philosophy, what good is the philosophy, and what good are the leaders?

Putin is changing his actions, one would presume on a change in his philosophy, one that is more closely aligned with 19th century conservatism in Russia.

I think equating that with Hitlers treatment of gays is a stretch.

Any leader that challenges the grossly over-represented gay lobby is worthy of respect.

[x]

* Sigh *

He's not a Marxist. He is opposed to something he calls "cultural Marxism."

The Free Congress Foundation was founded by Paul Weyrich, who was far from a Marxist himself.