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“Cross Border Authority” ping ....
after a General Quarters Call then they were less than thirty to forty minutes away .... this explains why targets were painted ... fully....(imho).
5.56mm
I’d venture that a single low level supersonic pass would have broken the back of the assault. (And quite a few ear drums and windows)
Would like the questions asked
“How did you know how long the attack would last?”
“Why did you intentionally mislead us by blaming a youtube video?”
Standing up to liberal lies is the only chance we’ve got... not that it’ll stop the New York Times from lying their asses off about Benghazi... But it will shame them when the truth overwhelms their lies. Just like with collective farm successes in the old USSR... it’s gonna bite ‘em.
Looks like there were three Destroyers nearby, including the USS Cole.
Impeach Obama in 2014, PERIOD!
Map shows no significant air assets capable of long range transport at sea. And no units with significant ground units anywhere near.
If there was an amphibious task force near Libya, loaded with Marines, that would be significant. But apparently there wasn’t anything like that.
The closest ship was a destroyer at Suda Bay, Crete. That would have a couple of helicopters probably without the range to get to Benghazi without refueling, and they would have had to send some of the sailors as IIRC there aren’t usually Marines assigned to them.
Most likely direct intervention would still have been whatever was available in Sicily.
The biggest failure here was the ignored warnings and denied security requests from the ambassador to the State Department.
6th Fleet was monitoring the situation in Benghazi from the beginning. The commander had an intervention ready to launch in less than twenty minutes. Until that commander testifies freely and fully, the real story remains untold.
Once the US government had the TRUST of its citizens.
No more. Not ever.
Nothing would stand in the way of getting 20,000 MANPADs
to al Qaeda by Obama.
Not even the public rape of an Ambassador.
In fact, Obama was gleeful, because just maybe, the
Blind Sheik would go free.
Ping.
9/11/2012 seems to be a ‘perfect storm ‘ of U.S. Gov /Mil incompetence and negligence / neglect . For which very few ( if any) have been directly held responsible .
No carrier in the Med to back up any hot spots ? With all the Arab Spring BS brewing? No QRF’s on fast stand-by ?
Read the House Majority Staff Benghazi Report ( in full)
Heads must roll . From the bottom to the top . This is the downfall of a U.S. President and eliminates all possibility that another should ever stand as a candidate .
Exactly. What difference does it make? The GOP has already vindicated the administration. They might as well campaign for hillary.
Here is a video of Rep. Chaffetz saying that Gen. Ham, commander of AFRICOM at that time, told him that assets were near enough to help and ready to go.There is no doubt whatsoever that the assets were in motion preparing to receive an order to go.AFRICOM leader General Carter Ham was never given the order to secure the consulate in Benghazi. Youtube 1:43
Adm. James Lyons (Ret.) on Growing Benghazi Scandal
ADMIRAL LYONS: …All those comforting words that “We don’t want to put our forces at risk.” We had people at risk—they were crying for help! In a situation, you go with the resources you have available—and, in this particular case, we did have that 130-man Marine force recon team sitting there at Sigonella. Even if I only got 50 of them over there, that would have been significant in turning the situation around. We may not have been able to save the ambassador, but we certainly could have saved those other two SEALs that were over on the annex.
ADMIRAL LYONS: In perpetuating this lie, we also had administration officials lying to Congressional committees. That’s a felony. So, “What difference does it make?” It makes all the difference in the world. You cannot flaunt the truth here, just walk away from it and, basically, tell the American public to stuff it. That’s not acceptable.
The point on the organizing the two Marine anti-terrorist teams in Rota, that was good to go ahead and stand ’em up. What I find incomprehensible: The first team, it took them 23 hours to go a few hundred miles from Rota to Tripoli. I could go around the world in 23 hours, so that makes absolutely no sense to me.
In-extremis forces are prepared to deploy 24/7/365 and have been since the early '80s. Here is the testimony of a former SEAL who was part of one of those teams in the early days. On FR we know him as Travis McGee.
To: tobyhillLong ago I was a SEAL officer and I attended many joint and combined operational planning meetings in the USA, abroad, and on ships at sea. This type of rescue mission is called a “NEO” operation, for Non-combatant Evacuation Operation. Every embassy and consulate has and practices all kinds of emergency evac plans, in concert with the US military.
For example, Marines and SEALs practice NEO ops prior to deploying on every float, as a VERY high priority mission. They involve full dress-rehearsals, with civilian role players, helos, landing craft, rounding up stranded stragglers, opfor ambushes, role-playing “angry mobs,” fighting your way to LZs or even beaches while protecting a gaggle of civilians down to babies etc. Conducting successful NEO ops is a TOP TOP TOP military and state department mission priority. I cannot emphasize this enough. NEO ops are planned and practiced over and over and over.
When the alarm goes off worldwide that an embassy or consulate is being attacked, the entire U.S. military swings into rescue mode, without waiting for any orders from the White House. The military does all of the operational planning and begins to execute the rescue op.
The one thing they CAN’T do is cross an international border without permission from POTUS. So the US Military will be inbound full-steam-ahead to make the rescue, and all they need from POTUS is a “proceed” order. In this case, they got a “stand down” instead.
This is at the POTUS level, it is not a decision taken at State. State and the military (JCS) should be in the Situation Room with POTUS soon after a critical incident like this begins, so all decisions can be made in real time. (I have heard nowhere that POTUS went into the Situation Room at all. Apparently he went to the Oval Office briefly, but not down to the Situation Room, where the “war planning” screens, full staffs and commo tools are all located for dealing with a major crisis.)
But if POTUS punts after a brief Oval Office meeting with Dempsey and Hillary and goes upstairs to the family quarters....the stranded Americans will die.
Only POTUS can give the order to cross international borders. Only POTUS can allow US warplanes to give air support to Americans battling on the ground in a foreign country. If POTUS makes himself unavailable, the Americans will die.
Even the VEEP or Secretary of State cannot make that call. The VEEP can only do it if the POTUS is determined to be medically unable to perform his functions. If the POTUS goes upstairs and turns off his phone, there is nothing anybody can do about it. Nothing. And the besieged Americans will die.
On Friday an anonymous Pentagon insider (”Doug”) called into Rush with a lot of new details about this disgraceful fiasco. But what we really need now is for a high-ranking officer with insider knowledge to go public, risk his pension and career, and tell the truth.
The blame for this humiliating and shameful national disgrace is pointing directly at the POTUS, and America needs to know why the inbound rescue operation was aborted.
12 posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:11:02 AM by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
More from Travis McGee...
The enemy killed four Americans and ran us out of Benghazi. To this day, what has been done to send a message to our enemies that they would pay dearly for trying to do this again?
Benghazi is in North Africa. Carthage was in North Africa. Can anyone find Carthage on a map? Seen any photos of Carthage? Carthage laid a couple of big defeats on the superpower of their time...Rome. I can fly to Rome and take photos. Nobody even knows where Carthage was. There’s a lesson there for us. I’d be willing to pay for a few bags of salt for Benghazi.