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Dan Haar: Untold Thousands Flout Gun Registration Law
The Courant ^ | 2/10/2014

Posted on 02/12/2014 5:19:38 PM PST by Altura Ct.

Everyone knew there would be some gun owners flouting the law that legislators hurriedly passed last April, requiring residents to register all military-style rifles with state police by Dec. 31.

But few thought the figures would be this bad.

By the end of 2013, state police had received 47,916 applications for assault weapons certificates, Lt. Paul Vance said. An additional 2,100 that were incomplete could still come in.

That 50,000 figure could be as little as 15 percent of the rifles classified as assault weapons owned by Connecticut residents, according to estimates by people in the industry, including the Newtown-based National Shooting Sports Foundation. No one has anything close to definitive figures, but the most conservative estimates place the number of unregistered assault weapons well above 50,000, and perhaps as high as 350,000.

And that means as of Jan. 1, Connecticut has very likely created tens of thousands of newly minted criminals — perhaps 100,000 people, almost certainly at least 20,000 — who have broken no other laws. By owning unregistered guns defined as assault weapons, all of them are committing Class D felonies.

"I honestly thought from my own standpoint that the vast majority would register," said Sen. Tony Guglielmo, R-Stafford, the ranking GOP senator on the legislature's public safety committee. "If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don't follow them, then you have a real problem."


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1 posted on 02/12/2014 5:19:39 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.
"...conservative estimates..."

Heh, heh.....

2 posted on 02/12/2014 5:23:36 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Altura Ct.

Good for them! It takes guts to not give in. I would imagine many guns were lost in “accidents”


3 posted on 02/12/2014 5:24:06 PM PST by refermech
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To: Altura Ct.

“If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don’t follow them, then you have a real problem.”

No sh*t, Sherlock.


4 posted on 02/12/2014 5:24:15 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Altura Ct.
""If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don't follow them, then you have a real problem.""

Take it up with Bammy, dude.

5 posted on 02/12/2014 5:24:50 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Altura Ct.
"I honestly thought from my own standpoint that the vast majority would register," said Sen. Tony Guglielmo, R-Stafford, the ranking GOP senator on the legislature's public safety committee.

Uh, a little out of touch, are we? Dickhead.

6 posted on 02/12/2014 5:24:59 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Altura Ct.

47,000 Lemmings registered their guns with the government? That’s a personal decision but what a self sell out. George Washington face palm.


7 posted on 02/12/2014 5:25:11 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: dynachrome
“If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don’t follow them, then you have a real problem.”

And, hint: the "problem" isn't with the people!

8 posted on 02/12/2014 5:25:58 PM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Altura Ct.

“I’m runnin’. Po-lice on my back.”


9 posted on 02/12/2014 5:26:46 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Altura Ct.

“I honestly thought from my own standpoint that the vast majority would register,” said Sen. Tony Guglielmo, R-Stafford

Idiot.


10 posted on 02/12/2014 5:27:01 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Paladin2
""If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don't follow them, then you have a real problem.""

I guess this rube never went to a city run by Democrats. Must never have visited the White House either.

11 posted on 02/12/2014 5:27:33 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Altura Ct.

What a dumbass Republican. The President of the US doesn’t care about any laws, so why then should the people?

We have a real problem alright, it resides in the White House.


12 posted on 02/12/2014 5:28:17 PM PST by dforest
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To: Altura Ct.

“If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don’t follow them, then you have a real problem.”

apparently this idiot never studied American history, like the Revolution and Prohibition....


13 posted on 02/12/2014 5:29:19 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: samadams2000
47,000 Lemmings registered their guns with the government?

This is CT, sandwiched between ultra liberal NY and ultraliberal MA I'm surprised that there are only 47k who soaked their matresses

14 posted on 02/12/2014 5:30:34 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Altura Ct.

Haven’t these idiots ever heard of the Canadian gun registry? Or all of the criminals who’d never register? What the hell do they expect? Compliance with an unjust, unconstitutional law?


15 posted on 02/12/2014 5:31:12 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: from occupied ga

I saw the pictures of the line they stood in to register and it made me ill. They were very disturbing images. I wondered if they were also applying to be camp guards.


16 posted on 02/12/2014 5:33:11 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Altura Ct.

“If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don’t follow them, then you have a real problem.”

Yes, especially when it is guns that shoot real bullets. Blood will flow in the streets. What the Spartans said, if you got the guts.


17 posted on 02/12/2014 5:35:28 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: from occupied ga

My ancestral roots are in Conn.
I’m surprised there at 47,000 total gun owners, LOL.


18 posted on 02/12/2014 5:37:30 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Altura Ct.

-——Sen. Tony Guglielmo, R-Stafford-——

Guess you can’t fix stupid....


19 posted on 02/12/2014 5:39:14 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Paladin2

In NY we don’t have even that much of an estimate about compliance with the Un-SAFE Act. I suspect less than 10% at best. Not even the rare gun owning lib is registering.


20 posted on 02/12/2014 5:41:13 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Altura Ct.
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

In Canada, after years of massive noncompliance and enormous cost overruns, the Government finally threw in the towel and shut down their long gun registry. This in a nation which had firearm laws which most Americans not living in California, Illinois, or New England would have considered far too confining, and gun owners there would have vigorously protested (look at the recalls in Colorado).

Why anyone in government would think Americans would comply is beyond me, and I am shocked that as many complied as did.

People will only comply with the law as long as the law makes sense, for starters, after that, it is less sure that will happen.

When we have a government that picks and chooses when, where, and even if a law will be enforced, even to the point of breaking the law itself, the constituents of that government will act in kind when it comes to compliance.

21 posted on 02/12/2014 5:41:49 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Altura Ct.
Bravo  s !
22 posted on 02/12/2014 5:44:33 PM PST by tomkat
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Do they grow turnips in Connecticut?

I live far from their borders, but in my area I don't know anyone who owns just 1 AR. Multiple ARs, on the other hand ...

23 posted on 02/12/2014 5:50:35 PM PST by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: Altura Ct.
"There's nothing unique about this," Lawlor said. "The goal is to have fewer of these types of weapons in circulation."

Just WOW. So a gov't gun-grabber actually admitted the truth -- that the purpose of the law is not to protect the health, safety, and welfare of women, children, and minorities, make the streets safer, or for any reason other than to keep law-abiding citizens from owning scary looking objects that are the tool of choice in an extremely small number of homocides and firearm deaths.

24 posted on 02/12/2014 5:51:15 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Altura Ct.

Will the gov’t start showing up at houses doing confiscations?

There is the real question.


25 posted on 02/12/2014 5:54:23 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Altura Ct.

They will find out who has them when THEY die trying to confiscate them


26 posted on 02/12/2014 5:54:53 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Altura Ct.

Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...


27 posted on 02/12/2014 5:55:13 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: Altura Ct.

Did Gugliomo support these idiotic bills?


28 posted on 02/12/2014 5:57:36 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: kitchen

Hoe many AR-12s?


29 posted on 02/12/2014 5:57:58 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Labyrinthos
"..these types of weapons in circulation."

To the extent that they are (largely) owned by long term owners, where does "circulation" come into the discussion?

30 posted on 02/12/2014 6:00:03 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Altura Ct.
"If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don't follow them, then you have a real problem."

Well, yes. But what it really means is that you're about to have a much, much bigger problem. This is a problem entirely caused by a government whose intention is to rule rather than represent. They're stuck. The Dems will dig in their heels and never allow a syllable to be rescinded lest it threaten their power, and the public will increasingly disregard the law. Examples will be made on a few unfortunate gun owners and the people will dig in their heels in turn. It's an impasse. I'm minded of the fellow named Parker who said, "If it has to begin, let it begin here."

31 posted on 02/12/2014 6:00:04 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Paladin2

How, not ‘ho.


32 posted on 02/12/2014 6:00:27 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Altura Ct.

“I honestly thought from my own standpoint that the vast majority would register,”

If you register your firearms, you are just preparing for the day that you will turn them in.


33 posted on 02/12/2014 6:02:18 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Altura Ct.

And? Untold millions have flouted our immigration laws for decades, and y’all want to reward them. Double standard again?


34 posted on 02/12/2014 6:03:54 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Paladin2
What's an AR-12? I know AR-180, AR-7. 12 draws a blank.
35 posted on 02/12/2014 6:06:20 PM PST by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: Altura Ct.

“all of them are committing Class D felonies.”

Make everything a felony and then lament the fact that felons can’t vote. The liberal way.


36 posted on 02/12/2014 6:07:41 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Those that complied should be ashamed of themselves. Did they really think they would be rounded up and put in jail if they didn’t?

Traitors to their country and Constitution in my opinion.


37 posted on 02/12/2014 6:10:16 PM PST by slouper
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To: Paladin2

I’d never comply. But I live in Texas. I don’t think this would EVER happen here!!


38 posted on 02/12/2014 6:10:29 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Labyrinthos

I don’t think much of AR’s and AK’s. Only reason I would buy one would be so I could shoot some of the huge purchase of ammo that the Fed Gov has bought.

My preference is a lot heavier projectile and load.


39 posted on 02/12/2014 6:12:07 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: FreedomPoster
Will the gov’t start showing up at houses doing confiscations?

I think the answer to that, is YES they will. They can not have a total communist take over, without a successful gun grab first. Unless they shut down the Internet and communications services first, the news will get around the entire country, in minutes. Then, people have to consider what Solzhenitsyn said, but I have a feeling it could get REALLY ugly in the hinterlands, as millions of people do a molon labe on their sorry asses. How I despise these rat bastards.

40 posted on 02/12/2014 6:12:38 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Antoninus II

Bump on that.


41 posted on 02/12/2014 6:12:39 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: samadams2000
I saw the pictures of the line they stood in to register

one line leads to another

Politicians and police have long waited for a final solution to the gun owner problem

42 posted on 02/12/2014 6:15:05 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Altura Ct.

What needs to happen now is that some individuals who may or may not own such weapons, and who live in a conservative part of the state, should bravely step forward and admit they are violating the law, and they intend to continue to do so. Daring the state to arrest them.

And refuse to give the state their weapon when the state demands they do so. After making lots of videos showing them handling and even using their weapons in identifiable parts of the state.

The intent being a trial ending in jury nullification.

And they and their supporters need to take every opportunity to preach jury nullification of unjust and unconstitutional laws. To rub the state legislatures face in it.

That is real protest.


43 posted on 02/12/2014 6:26:07 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: dforest

Amen. Exactly what I was thinking. Glad to see it’s been said ;-)


44 posted on 02/12/2014 6:27:45 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Altura Ct.
That 50,000 figure could be as little as 15 percent of the rifles classified as assault weapons owned by Connecticut residents,

15%

Right in line with the California SKS ban numbers.

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45 posted on 02/12/2014 6:27:53 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: from occupied ga
I looked at some of the other pics at your (posted pics) link. So sad....especially the one of the women and children heading off to the chamber. It's labeled "Unsuspecting Hungarian mothers and children walk on."

That's what's going on with these 47,000 in CT...unsuspecting.

46 posted on 02/12/2014 6:31:50 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

So this “republican” legislator in Connecticut is for the abolishment of the second amendment? How did he get elected?


47 posted on 02/12/2014 6:33:24 PM PST by OK_Sam (OK_Sam)
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To: Jane Long
Something about those who don't remember history being doomed to repeat it.

What is different about the USA that separates it from all of the murderous tyrannies of the past? Only the constitution, and 0 and his accomplices are eroding that as fast as they can. Human nature isn't any different here than in the USSR, Nazi Germany or Pol Pot's cambodia. Just look at the endless stories about police shooting people, dogs, violating peoples' right, etc and getting away with it. It starts gradually, and it's already started here.

48 posted on 02/12/2014 6:37:43 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: kitchen

I have to wonder about the thought processes of this so called (R), that he is surprised that people aren’t registering their guns.

What is the upside of complying with registration?


49 posted on 02/12/2014 6:47:14 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: from occupied ga

What is different about the USA that separates it from all of the murderous tyrannies of the past? Only the constitution, and 0 and his accomplices are eroding that as fast as they can.

___________________

Funny you mention our Constitution. I’d just re-read - from a link on another thread - the “How Far We’ve Fallen: Commie Goals (from 1963)”. Here are a couple of *goals* that stood out...

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”


50 posted on 02/12/2014 6:56:52 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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