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To: Talisker
So you conduct experiments on your own dime? And you medical publications also operate solo? And there’s no pharmaceutical money in any of it? LOL.

Like most scientists, my work is paid through taxes. The federal government allocates tens of billions of dollars to research; state governments and private donors also provide billions of dollars. Inasmuch as pharmaceutical companies pay taxes, I guess they do indirectly pay me.

And as a medical researcher, a scientist who is of the highest ethics and so admits mistakes when they are pointed out, somehow forgets that the actual chemical is thimerosol - in a discussion concerning mercury in vaccines? LOL.

And I suppose that you are such a perfect person that you have never, in your life, made a mistake? Honest people own up to their mistakes; dishonest ones try to deny them. I did not, as I already said, "forget" that the chemical is thiomersal--I called it by the wrong name. Using the wrong word is an incredibly minor and common mistake that many people--including you, I bet--make every day.

But hey it doesn’t matter anyway because even though millions of people made enough of a protest for enough year that the thimerosol was finally forced to be admitted as a danger (...)

Millions or billions of people protesting something based on fears and feelings does not equate to scientific evidence about the thing. There is no scientific evidence that thiomersal used as a preservative in vaccines is even a minimal health risk. The vaccine manufacturers and FDA were wrong to cave on this--the better tactic would have been to take the time and effort to educate people.

And the CDC doesn’t report death from vaccines, so there are no deaths from vaccines - period. LOL.

Where is your reference for that? Natural news? That gaia-whatever website? FYI, CDC tracks ALL deaths from ALL causes. If there are no deaths from vaccines listed in that table (which is a HUGE table, several megabytes), then they didn't happen. If there *were* deaths from vaccines, the CDC would be all over it, just like they are all over everything that causes premature death.

And in any event, any medical source other than ones you cite, even those including MDs who don’t agree with you (...)

Of course I do not agree with "MDs" who do not inform their opinion on results of actual medical research. When they start spouting pseudoscientific nonsense (regardless of whether they have a doctoral level education), they should be called out and criticized. If a claim is not based on medical research, it is bilge.

Which of course means that all alternative medicine on the planet, meaning literally everything from every country that is not found in YOUR selected publications that somehow operate free from multi-trillion dollar multinational pharmaceutical influence

PubMed is a database, maintained by the US National Institutes of Health (using tax money). It catalogs medical research from all over the world. Also, as I have seen pointed out over at the Science Based Medicine blog, once an "alternative" treatment has been tested in clinical trials and shown to be effective, then it is just medicine. "Alternative medicine" really refers to anything that has not been tested in a controlled fashion (controlled means that one group receives the standard treatment, and one group receives the experimental treatment, and results are compared).

The EPA classifies any substance having greater than 200ppb (parts per billion) of mercury as toxic waste, that must be disposed of through the appropriate channels (i.e. HAZMAT protocol).

To compare apples to apples and make our EPA data relevant, we need to convert 50ppm to ppb, so we move the decimal 3 places (just as we would to take ml to L). What does this give us??

It is quite difficult to find what the EPA considers an upper allowable limit. You have to keep in mind that the EPA sets that limit really, really low compared to the threshold that actually causes harm. Furthermore, the form of mercury makes a big difference in its toxicity. Thiomersal breaks down to ethylmercury in the body, which is rapidly excreted. The most toxic form of mercury is methylmercury--which you get by eating fish.

Now let's really compare apples to apples. A vaccine can contain from 2.5 to 25 micrograms (ug) of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. Remember, this form of mercury is rapidly cleared from the body.

Tuna contains roughly 0.4 to 0.6 ppm of mercury, in the form methylmercury (the highly toxic form). For ease of calculation, I will use 0.5 ppm. So a 100 g serving of tuna (roughly 3 ounces) contains (100g x (0.5/1,000,000)) = 0.00005 g, or 50 ug of mercury--2 to 20 times as much as found in vaccines. Other fish also contain mercury, some of them far more than tuna.

Now, how often do you eat fish, versus how often are people vaccinated?

I will also point out, since the concern is about neurological damage, that high fever during pregnancy has been shown to cause neurological damage in the fetus, and can even kill the fetus. That is a pretty high price to pay for refusing to take a vaccine. Because of the real and demonstrable fetal damage that occurs because of infectious disease, the CDC and other health experts strongly recommend pregnant women to take the flu vaccine.

And not merely ingested - oh no - inJECTed. And not just into adults - into BABIES. And not just once, but multiple times starting from the moment of birth.

Thank God for that. Thank God for the researchers who have been working for hundreds of years to develop safe vaccines that have saved the lives of countless millions of children. Thank God we no longer have to have ten or more children in the hope of seeing just one survive to adulthood. Thank God that infectious disease is no longer the #1 killer, but is now down to about the #8 cause of death, all because of vaccine.

And curse all of those who promote pseudoscience that causes real children to die of completely preventable infectious disease.

I am very sorry for you that you feel that pseudoscience is so trustworthy--it really does not deserve the level of credibility you assign to it. As I have said before, I can educate you where to find credible, vetted medical information for yourself--but I cannot make you use that knowledge.

P.S. Please note that even where I did not explicitly reference a statement, I can provide a reference upon request. I do not ever say anything that I cannot support with credible evidence.

105 posted on 02/23/2014 7:12:21 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: MD Expat in PA; exDemMom
This argument is really not between us - what we’re really doing is playing to an audience. However, unlike you, I don’t have “tax dollars” to support my postings. So I have to cut this short. Besides what I’ve already said, the following should help interested readers to dig deeper into this ocean of deadly lies.

So remember, Readers, vaccines are a trillion dollar industry, based on injecting known poisons into babies. Even the vaccine supporters admit this. What they argue, however, is that when they calculate how much poison to inject into babies, it’s safe. In fact, their poison is actually beneficial. That’s the entirety of what they call their “sound medical argument.”

As if that’s not bad enough, however, the rest of what they want involves guns in the hands of SWAT teams to take your child away from you, arrest you and shoot you dead if you resist, in order to ensure that these safe poisons are injected into every human being.

And why do they need to do this to everybody, if their vaccines work? You see, you don’t even understand medicine. These are special vaccines, just like they are special poisons. These vaccines don’t just “work.” They are collective vaccines. They only work if everyone has them, and that way, no one can be a carrier of a disease that might threaten everyone who has a vaccination. But, you say, if people are vaccinated, then what does it matter if they are exposed? And again, you don’t understand. Vaccines don’t actually stop disease - oh no. Vaccines are a way you can get rid of carriers for disease, by vaccinating them. You see? Then everyone is vaccinated, and no one is a carrier. And then - there will be no more disease on planet Earth, because no one will be a carrier.

Except if someone does get sick, then the entire planet has to get vaccinated again, at gunpoint, as babies, otherwise you hate your children and you are a menace to society.

Oh and one more thing - no vaccine is guaranteed to protect any particular person. Don’t be silly! That’s impossible!

Now do you understand medical science a little better? The kind that gets listed in PubMed? Like this other guy who got listed in PubMed. His name is Peter Singer. He’s one of the established scientists that came up with the theories that vaccinations are based on. It goes like this: government and corporations need to decide who is useful, and who is not, and then the useless people need to die. That’s right, that’s the whole thing - official medical science, in PubMed.

And don’t make the mistake of reading anything outside of PubMed - those people are all quacks. Even the MDs - doesn’t matter. All of them. And you know what needs to happen to them, right? The same thing that has to happen to the global warming deniers. real, true, verified, established and accepted science as bought and paid for in the highest courts, must be protected at all costs.

Because without that absolute control, ignorant people will challenge things they can never understand - things like limiting thresholds, and term definitions and acceptable statistics, and publishing standards and entry fees and stakeholder preferences - all the things that differentiate between what should be allowed to be read, and what should be burned. THAT is PROFESSIONAL medical science.

For the children (TM).

Peter Singer and 'lives not worth living' (from: Singer Peter. Bioethics and academic freedom. Bioethics. 1990 Jan;4(1):33–44. [PubMed])

How American Vaccine Court Works (For Pharma and Govt, Not Victims)

Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and Effective Drugs - Harvard University Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics Journal of Law, Medicine and Ethics Vol. 14, No. 3 (2013)

Vaccination Liberation

The Vaccination Racket

Mann vs. Steyn: The Trial of the Century

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations

107 posted on 02/25/2014 2:35:21 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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