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To: Kozak; CorporateStepsister; Talisker; I got the rope; Secret Agent Man; goodwithagun
There are many good reasons to and very few reasons not to get vaccinated against measles and other now preventable diseases (mumps, chicken pox, polio, etc.) While it is true that many of us had measles as a kid (I did) and recovered, measles can sometimes cause dangerous complications such as lung infection (pneumonia) or brain swelling (encephalitis). In rare cases, it can even cause seizures or meningitis and it can result in blindness and deafness in some. Measles in a pregnant woman can cause her to miscarry or give birth prematurely. Measles used to be one of the leading causes of infant and childhood deaths before vaccinations.

When my older brother was 12 years old, he came down with the mumps and seemed to be getting over it but then developed encephalitis and meningitis that very nearly killed him. He lapsed into a coma, the doctors were not optimistic that he would live and if he did, they feared permanent brain damage. My brother did eventually fully recover and didn’t have any permanent brain damage but he was hospitalized for nearly 2 months and it took quite a while for him to relearn how to walk and talk and feed himself, his motor skills were so screwed up. I have family photos of my brother before and after and it doesn’t look like the same person. The before photos show a rather robust, athletic and healthy kid, the shortly after photos shows a very skinny and pale kid. I was just a baby but you can be sure that after what happened to my brother, that my parents made sure that I got all my vaccinations, at least all the ones that were available at the time.

What many people don’t understand about vaccinations is the herd immunity effect. You not only get vaccinated to protect yourself, you also get it to protect others; people who might have compromised immune systems such as cancer patients or those who can’t get vaccinated because of allergies or other health problems, those too young to get vaccinated, those who had vaccinations as a child but never got the booster shots that are necessary for some diseases or those for whom for whatever reason, the vaccination didn’t take or they only recently got the vaccination but hadn’t yet developed the optimal immune response. While most vaccinations take and are highly effective, no vaccine is 100% effective 100% of the time for 100% of the people who received them.

I was one of those who got vaccinated for measles about a year before I got it but I still came down with it, the vaccination didn’t take. But if the person, my school classmate who infected me had been vaccinated, he wouldn’t have contracted it and he wouldn’t have passed it on to me. Fortunately while I remember being very sick, the blinding headache, not being able to tolerate light, being very weak and missing a week of school was what I remember most, I recovered without any complications. One of my classmates wasn’t vaccinated was not so fortunate. She didn’t die but developed pneumonia and spent a month in the hospital.

Now days we have people here in the US who are refusing to get their children vaccinated over false fears of vaccinations causing Autism or incorrectly believing that all vaccinations are made from aborted babies (not true), and then we have those who eschew modern medicine all together opting for “natural cures”, herbal remedies or the misguided beliefs that “childhood diseases” are some sort of normal rite of passage and basically harmless.

56 posted on 02/14/2014 5:44:01 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA

My son and I got whooping cough over 15 years ago. We were both vaccinated. And my titres were high enough only 4 years before when I was checked in nursing school.

I wanted to die. 6 weeks of wanting to die.


59 posted on 02/14/2014 5:59:57 AM PST by blastbaby
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To: MD Expat in PA

Thank you for the very well-thought-out post.

One other complication of measles that many people are unaware of, is that a person can apparently recover from measles, then come down with encephalitis years later and die. It is similar to the chickenpox/shingles connection, but on a shorter time frame.

I have never had measles, and had to be vaccinated against it as a prerequisite for going to college.

I had chickenpox, and more recently, shingles. The pain of shingles can last for months, years, or even permanently. Unfortunately, having shingles once does not protect you against having it again. I really need to get vaccinated, even though the vaccine is recommended for people a few years older than I.


71 posted on 02/14/2014 8:01:22 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Kozak; MD Expat in PA; exDemMom
Hyper-descriptive stories about experiencing illness, as well as lumping together people who have legitimate, scientific concerns about vaccinations with non-scientific fantasists, are not rational answers to vaccination limitations. But then, vaccinations are a sales jub, so such things are normal from people who also claim scientific respectability.

As for the actual issue of vaccinations, it is no single thing, and lumping all of its separate componants together is one of the main techniques of deceit in this matter.

Vaccination delivery, for example, is an entire subject on its own. Combining multiple vaccines into one, giving multiple vaccinations in close order, starting vaccinations literally at birth and continuing through extremely early childhood before the immune system itself can begin to mature, adding multiple known, poisonous ingredients as adjuvants specifically to make the immune system impacted even harder - all of these have extremely serious effects and are, individually and together, not at all uniformly supported by medical professionals. And it’s hardly absurd to reason that observed collapses in children by such vaccinations cannot actually be, in fact, caused by such vaccinations. Who is more callous, a medical researcher who decides that such child collapses are “statistically insignificant” given the amount of vaccinations, or the parents struggling to deal with the suddenly immune compromised or autistic child?

As well, regarding MD certified allopathic medicine as the only legitimate medical sicence on the planet is, shall we say, subject to serious contention by the rest of the planet. Especially since things like the death rate hospitals from secondary infections, the constantly falling effectiveness and negative feedback loops of antibiotics, and the general dissatisfaction with modern medicine by patients continues unabated.

In addition, referring to a “herd effect” is breathtakingly imposing on the whole of society, for it cannot be properly imposed except through the seizing of the bodies of every human being in totality by the State, under the claim that without strict exposure to every vaccination by every person at all times, any resistance can be considered an attack against the entire society. Talk about absolute despotism and the literal seizing into physical slavery of the entire human race while claiming justification from a medical theory! Millions of people have to have poison injected into them from birth so someone won’t get sick from a carrier - yet at the same time, while praised to the heavens, close onto that praise is the legal indemnification statement that, how did you put it, “no vaccine is 100% effective 100% of the time for 100% of the people who received them.”

Well isn’t that just fine - total physical slavery and the loss of human rights for something that isn’t perfect? And WHAT, may I ask, is the actual “non-perfection” ratio? What’s the cost-benefit analysis here? How effective are vaccinations when subtracted from thethe natural socially developing immune response? How much have vaccination statistics hijacked that natural immune response and claimed it for themselves? And how many “immune challenged” and thus vulnerable people were MADE that way from having their immune systems damaged by massive exposure to adjuvant-laden vaccinations themselves?

In other words, how much is the REAL “herd effect” actually the blind obedience of people getting vaccinations while being whipped with vague threats of horror by medical professionals claiming godhood, while backing themselves up with the totalitarian powers of the state and blinding people with suppressed evidence?

Because the fact is, the same people who demand vaccinations while declaring that “of course” they are not perfect, are the ones demanding PERFECT compliance of everyone on the planet at gunpoint - and to this, too, they shrug and say “of course.” Gee, I’m smelling a distinctly NON-medical political agenda here.

And so are a LOT of people. Millions, in fact. Because careful study and statistical analysis of public health records indicate very strongly that there may well be significant problems with the vaccination medical model itself - and that while perhaps vaccinations are not completely innefective, they seem to be certainly nowhere near being able to invoke the immune response and disease effectiveness they are being claimed to provide.

But as a justification to force the injections of poisons, included as “adjuvants,” they have proven to be a terrific success. And also, it’s not like there’s any massive, global, multi-billion dollar profit motive in keeping vaccines around, right? Or political motive in keeping people sick, when there are things like Obamacare that NEED sick people and a SINGLE medical model to control - right?

For readers who want to learn more, do some research - there’s lots of it available. Here’s a good start:

MMR Vaccination’s Abject Failure in Measles and Mumps

Bedrock of vaccination theory crumbles as science reveals antibodies not necessary to fight viruses

77 posted on 02/14/2014 1:02:50 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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