Posted on 02/14/2014 5:13:40 AM PST by Impala64ssa
A Russian Member of Parliament (MP) burst out in an anti-Semitic tirade last Thursday, attacking other Russian lawmakers as "Jews" responsible for the 1917 Communist revolution and the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
Oleg Bolychev, an MP from the ruling United Russia party, called his opponents "Jews, mired in opposition," during a debate at the regional parliament in Kaliningrad, reports AFP.
"At the start of the 1990s foreign spies were infiltrated into our government who oversaw the destruction of our state," claimed Bolychev. "You destroyed our country in 1917 and you destroyed our country in 1991."
The Russian Jewish Congress said it was "indignant" over the anti-Semitic blaming of Jews for Russian failures, and called for an investigation.
Alexander Khinstein, a fellow United Russia MP, also spoke out against his party member, saying "it is incredible that a public figure can make such extremist statements."
Meanwhile Bolychev struck back, saying labels of extremism were "ravings and provocations." He also claimed his blaming of the Jews for "destroying Russia" was not anti-Semitic, saying "I was not talking about Jews but about the situation in the country. I was speaking about traitors who destroyed a great state twice."
According to Alexander Verkhovsky of the NGO Sova, which studies racism in Russia, "xenophobia is such in Russia that it now appears in the official discourse which was controlled up until now."
Russia has also embraced the enemies of the Jewish state, sealing a $1 billion energy deal with the Palestinian Authority (PA) in late January. During his visit to Russia during which the deal was signed, PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas called on Russia to play a greater role in peace talks between Israel and the PA.
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Pieter, please take me off your ping list.
I’m very tired of playing this game because I have no say in who will win.
Ok, I removed you.
I disagree with your interpretation of what I have written. It is true many confuse the nation of Israel as a current political entity with the Biblical concept of Israel as a people under the God of Abraham. I do not make that mistake; however, it is a separate issue from the reason for my post, which was in response to an earlier post blaming "conservative" Christians for despising Jews. It just isn't so, regardless of the profit-seeking machinations of the New World Order.
Well said, my FRiend. Well said.
Your posts are very thoughtful. Mine are rushed because I should be shoveling snow before the sun gets lower!
Thanks for an interesting exchange...
1. Jews did not Destroy Russia.
2. Men are not capable of such planning. God laughs at their ambitions to “rule the world”. He has since before the tower of Babel.
3. The “New World Order” guys are a legend in their own minds.
“Obviously new world order knew the Bible when they were setting up the 20th century middle eastern chaos,..”
Oh, please!
Historians refer to the Middle East as the Graveyard of Empires. No one can set up chaos like the people who live there; they are the only ones who can change how they believe and the resultant actions on those beliefs.
Have western intelligence agencies actions over the past 50-60 years have an impact on today’s events? Yes. But they haven’t exactly had great controllable results.
Two Washington, D.C., sources stated in 2008 that BHO2 had worked for the CIA in south Asia. Later, a third source in 2009 popped up to make the same claim. I haven’t read anything about such activities on the part of BHO2 since then. BHO2’s personality has made him the perfect puppet, and the New World Order isn’t made up solely of western elites.
So yes, we are reaping the crop of our interfering in other nation’s operations. But what you’ve said is a bit much, as it is difficult to control third world political situations to the extent you’ve described.
“Socialism encourages drinking because it destroys self worth and give the victims of it a sense of total helplessness”
That gets complicated. It’s much easier just to blame the Jews. Double blame goes to Jewish Bartenders.
>>The creation of the modern state of Israel was engineered by new world order financial elites originating mostly in the UK.<<
Probably, but following Kissinger and Meir official British position was just opposite.
Stalin has promised a Jewish state as part of a deal negotiated with certain NYC and Hollywood circles who lobbied for aid to Soviet Union from US government and businesses and also helped to create positive Soviet image in America.
In mid1930s Stalin established a Jewish Republic within Soviet Union near Korea but said circles said he was cheating and they wanted it in Palestine.
He has ignored them through late 1930s until WWII when he badly needed said lobby to pull for Soviet cause in US again. His position was that if they’ll do their best for him this time, he won’t ever screw them again.
Said people has trusted the old beast again and pushed for lend-lease, D-day etc. It is believed they also helped Soviets with a good press and assisted in stealing a Manhattan project.
This time Stalin could not ignore them and had to return a favor. In talks with FDR and Churchill he stressed that Jews in Europe has suffered enough and deserve to have their nation-state in Palestine (a part of a British Empire at the time). Churchill was furious and told FDR it was a communist plot. FDR initially backed an ally against Stalin but caved very soon.
By 1944 KGB special forces was all around Palestine training Jewish militias. Shiploads of captured German weapons were funneled there as well. British authority was under huge pressure dealing with Jewish ‘terrorists’ and their Soviet ‘advisors’. Later there was a huge risk that Soviet forces could move there through Iran to kick Brits along with Arabs into a sea and set a shop the way it was in Central Europe and North Korea.
Thanks for the ping/posts. Fascinating, educational, informative discussion. Thanks to every poster. BTTT!
I’ve heard of Afghanistan referred to as the graveyard of empires, not the entire middle east.
The Ottoman Empire lasted for centuries,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_empire
though the area is normally fairly contentious, but we can’t see the reality of outside the influence of financial elites because that influence is very sparsely reported if at all. We see a revolution in the news media and it’s simply presented as a homegrown domestic revolution, with no mention of any outsiders.
On the other hand, one only has to study American and European history to also see arguably similar contentiousness. We simply tend to forget the outrageous behavior of our own supposedly “civilized” part of the world. Corruption, immorality, political assassinations, wars, etc. - we have our rose-colored history that is taught in our government schools, but if you go through the whole thing, it’s loaded with turbulence, even though various European empires also lasted for centuries.
Government-school-taught history completely omits the behind-the-scenes actions of financial elites - even when those actions are a) reported in contemporaneous news accounts and b) key factors in the unfolding of events.
FWIW, a few links of interest, just skimming the surface, and missing much key information - but already there are lines in these articles that should set off warning bells in the mind of the logical reader:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Amin_al-Husayni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_al-Banna
You can search the web for a lot of information on MB interaction with Western operatives. It’s fairly widely known that the UK is a haven for Muslim Brotherhood and various Islamic terrorism operations, and, of course, the US has, as usual, its freewheeling open-door policy towards Islamic terrorists as they do with all sorts of criminals and revolutionaries. Of course, the governments of both the US and UK are officially “against” terrorism, but that’s only in a public relations messaging sense.
MB is supposedly a radical anti-imperialist group. And the rulers of most middle east nations are doing business with outside “imperialist” interests.
We have an apparent contradiction then, if elite financial interests that are outsiders to the middle east would a) be chummy with middle eastern national governments and do business with them yet at the same time b) facilitate fanatical opposition groups within those same nations.
Of course, it’s only a contradiction until you realize that controlling the fanatical opposition is perhaps the best control over the rulers of these nations.
I stumbled over the idea that new world order was controlling “everything”. It’s not every detail of daily life that’s controlled. It’s control of a few key people at the top, so, from time to time new world order can make some key moves to implement large-scale operations at the national level, things like creating central banks, getting certain laws passed, etc. They seek to control the framework and let the “little people” operate within that framework and get a “cut” off of everything they do, because they are getting their national and local governments to pay them interest out of taxes collected. The frameworks they create also allow them pretty much free rein in the financial realm to reap profits as they please, and through their business control and political influence to shape society how they want to.
Regarding Zionism, some links.
Two Rabbis,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_Alkalai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvi_Hirsch_Kalischer
were introducing Zionism in the first half of the 19th century.
The Kalischer article omits that around 1836, Rabbi Kalischer wrote a letter to Anselm Mayer Rothschild, head of the Frankfurt branch of the family / business, explaining what he believed to be significant regarding the year 1840 in terms of messianic prophecy, and asking for Rothschild’s financial help in purchasing land in order to bring about the establishment of Israel as a modern nation.
I found this information in the book “American Aliya: Portrait of an Innovative Migration Movement”, by Chaim Isaac Waxman, pg. 40-41.
This is one bit of a very large amount of discussion regarding the topic during the 19th century. So Zionism is not new, it’s not even dating back to the Balfour Declaration and the WWI era, it’s at least almost a century before that.
Though
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl
is considered the “father” of modern Zionism, this article notes the now generally accepted influence of the much earlier Rabbi Alkalai on his thinking, as he was the rabbi of Herzl’s grandfather.
What logically stands out then, is that financial elites all throughout the 19th century were well aware of Zionism, and the movement did garner support and various organizations were founded. However it was not until the WWI era that we see the Balfour Declaration and the financial elites beginning to use their wealth and influence to really make things happen in the middle east.
If we bear in mind the influence of the financial elites in engineering WWI, and their desire to break up the Ottoman Empire as part of the spoils of war, what stands out is that that the elites knew that map-redrawing in Palestine would be possible at the close of the war. Thus, before war’s end was the time to get the Balfour Declaration made public to set the direction of the Palestine area in the war’s aftermath. Once Palestine was made a British mandate after the war, it was effectively held in reserve for future use by the elites, since they had effective control over British foreign policy.
Of course for decades prior to 1917 the importance of oil had been obvious (Rockefeller’s Standard Oil wealth had, in relative terms, by then easily surpassed that of, say, Bill Gates of today). Between the wars oil discoveries were popping up in the middle east, as European, UK and US companies (new world order controlled firms) were strategically working to be able to get at these natural resources cheaply, in nations without well-developed governments, politics or legal systems; a monopolist’s “wild west”.
Thus between the wars we see the MB being set up for use down the road, as a fanatical, anti-British, anti-Western, anti-Zionist Islamic fundamentalist group, one side of a middle east conundrum. We see Zionism moving forward as well, which provides the other side of the conundrum. The conundrum is pretty much a guarantee of strife. Al-Husayni, freewheeling provocateur that he was, went ahead and bonded with the Axis powers during WWII, cementing his “street cred” as truly opposed to all things Jewish.
From the time the United States failed to enter the League of Nations after WWI, the financial elites resolved to create yet another world war, as world war was the only way they could envision the United States joining an international governmental body of their making.
Thus the aftermath of WWII wold be the time to set up the actual modern nation of Israel, since during WWII winning the support of what muslim nations they could would be a top priority of the Allies, and introducing the nation of Israel before WWII would have interfered with that.
Of course, in American politics there seems to be no end to flogging this issue, even though historic anti-Semitism in the US has largely faded away. Somehow WASPs are typically characterized by the left as being “evil” for both supporting the nation of Israel and yet at the same time being anti-Semitic. And American financial and political elites of course support both sides lavishly with taxpayer dollars, and use the chaos to embark on trillions of dollars worth of military expenditures, NGO funding, Americans killed and wounded in wars, etc., to make sure global elites are happy with the business they do in each middle eastern country.
American trading and investment firms were heavily invested with both sides in World War 1. Those invested with the Triple Entente tried to get America into the war and to destabilize Central Powers. Those invested with the Central Powers tried to get America to stay out of the war and to destabilize Central Powers. They were backed by Irish and German Americans. These pro-Central Power financial interests supported revolutionary movements against the British (IRA..., Jihad) and Russia (Bolsheviks). This was no different that pro-Entente Financial interests using ethnic tensions and revolutionary movements against the Central Powers. Antisemitic untermench blame Jews for both when this is expedient. And they ignore the other players, factors, and what was going on. The biggest supporters of the Bolsheviks were the German high command, who brought the Soviet leaders in to Russia by train, armed and funded them. After the war, Germans hid their communist complicity by blaming the Jews, just as the untermensch in the German military spread the lies that Germany was never defeated.
Zionists did not make the Ottomans enter WWI.
Also, Zionists are not the financial elites of new world order.
The financial elites of new world order have their own plans and strategies.
As I said, Zionists approached Amschel Rothschild in 1836 and he rebuffed them.
When the elites saw that the Ottoman Empire would be no more, then obviously the old requests from Zionism made great sense to them.
My point was that the Bolsheviks were supported by the US and European governments and you just confirmed it. They were to continue to receive that support between WWI and WWII, during WWII, and during the Cold War. If the Communists didn't receive that support at anytime during those years they would have folded like a cheap suit.
It is far more complex. Remember that the US, Britain, and Japan all intervened in the Russian Civil War ostensibly to protect war materials from the Reds, who were deemed pro-German.
World War 2 was even more complex. For 18 months the Axis and the USSR were functionally allied, until June 1941. Aid was provided because Hitler was deemed the greater threat. Churchill made it clear, comparing Stalin to the Devil. The story was different in the FDR administration, which was rife with communists.
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