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A Huge Solar Plant Opens, Facing Doubts About Its Future
New York Times ^ | February 13, 2014 | DIANE CARDWELL and MATTHEW L. WALD

Posted on 02/14/2014 8:11:25 AM PST by lbryce

The Ivanpah solar power plant stretches over more than five square miles of the Mojave Desert. Almost 350,000 mirrors the size of garage doors tilt toward the sun with an ability to energize 140,000 homes. The plant, which took almost four years and thousands of workers assembling millions of parts to complete, officially opened on Thursday, the first electric generator of its kind.

It could also be the last.

Since the project began, the price of rival technologies has plummeted, incentives have begun to disappear and the appetite among investors for mammoth solar farms has waned. Although several large, new projects have been coming online in recent months — many in the last quarter of 2013 — experts say fewer are beginning construction and not all of those under development will be completed.

“I don’t think that we’re going to see large-scale solar thermal plants popping up, five at a time, every year in the U.S. in the long-term — it’s just not the way it’s going to work,” said Matthew Feinstein, a senior analyst at Lux Research.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; brightsource; climatechange; energy; globalwarminghoax; green; greenenergy; ivanpah; porkulus; solar; solarpower; subsidized
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To: catnipman

Only two trillion? That’s easy. We’re something close to 18 $ trillion in debt now. What’s a couple $ trillion more?


21 posted on 02/14/2014 8:33:29 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional rights cherished by Democrats.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

That’s a good point. Solar power, going green, was the cornerstone of Democrat issue viability, credibility. If solar power doesn’t ‘light up their life’ what does it say about some of their more hare-brained political concoctions?


22 posted on 02/14/2014 8:33:32 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Good point. Let’s talk about what liberals have ever been right about.

Take the whole war on poverty and the various programs which came out of that effort. Have those programs taken people out of poverty?

Do we have better more reliable sources of energy, and better energy policies, since we’ve had a Department of Energy?

Is the state of public education improved since Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education?

Are liberals ever held to account for their policies and programs? Or do we just ignore apparent failures of liberal programs, because, well just because we want to cut liberals a break??? And go back to bashing conservatives as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc?????


23 posted on 02/14/2014 8:35:22 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego (we')
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To: DBrow

I toured such a facility near Barstow back about 1988 or so. Lots of mirrors.


24 posted on 02/14/2014 8:35:23 AM PST by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: wizr
“I’ve wondered why this was attempted again, except to throw Other People’s Money away, as usual.”

The purpose is to allow those with political connections to have access to taxpayer money. There are well connected people who will profit even though the project makes no economic sense.

25 posted on 02/14/2014 8:36:44 AM PST by detective
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To: lbryce

It was true in the 70s, it was true in the 90s, its true now and it will be true 20 years from now: the ONLY way you make money in a solar deal is through state subsidies and tax credits, period.


26 posted on 02/14/2014 8:39:29 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: lbryce

If you go to Google Maps, and look for:

“Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating”

Your jaw will drop. This is insane.


27 posted on 02/14/2014 8:39:29 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lbryce

We use these folks for our electric here in a small rv park. Rates are .31 per kw. Last months electric bill for our 36 ft motor coach was $ 622. Somebody is making a couple bucks. You can see the towers from our place 11 miles away


28 posted on 02/14/2014 8:39:57 AM PST by vinylsidingman
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To: lbryce
Dont these dumfuks know that with all the Climate Change here, the deserts will become rain forests and the rain forests will become deserts,,,
epic fail,,, again...
29 posted on 02/14/2014 8:39:59 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: BuffaloJack
Also, it’s not nice to singe the feathers and ground any bird flying through the light beam, not to mention that the birds either die or can’t fly and slowly die after they’ve been scorched.

Isn't it amazing how the environmentalist don't worry about solar mirrors frying birds or wind turbines chopping them up. But if its a pipeline or chopping down trees the protestors are out screaming "their habitat is being threatened".

30 posted on 02/14/2014 8:40:49 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: lbryce

More targets for terrorists.


31 posted on 02/14/2014 8:41:11 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Rio

Lots of minimum wage jobs dusting all those mirrors off, eh?

California Dusters for Dough!!


32 posted on 02/14/2014 8:43:23 AM PST by biff (WAS)
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To: biff

Yet more proof of two things: LIBs are insane and LIBs are criminals.


33 posted on 02/14/2014 8:44:36 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Da Coyote
Please, liberals, leave the complicated things to us, and you take care of serving burgers.

OMG! Don't ruin burgers, too!

34 posted on 02/14/2014 8:44:54 AM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
392 MW of installed capacity and they might get an average of maybe 30-35% capacity factor. Not too impressive. It would not even be considered if it weren't for the massive subsidies they get. The subsidies (ratepayer and taxpayer money) are the only "profit" these things make.

The Vermont Yankee nuclear plant is being shut down at the end of the year because it is claimed it can't make money to cover its cost of operation. It is a rather small unit (less than 600 MW installed capacity) as nuclear plants go, has a 90+% capacity factor. It is a perfectly functional facility. But it is sobering to think that even this somewhat small-scale nuclear plant generated, last year, a total amount of energy that was more than every solar panel and windmill in the states of New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine combined.

35 posted on 02/14/2014 8:49:09 AM PST by chimera
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To: Steely Tom

Which was not shutdown by extremists more concerned with the dead birds and disruption to desert lizards and other local wildlife.


36 posted on 02/14/2014 8:52:05 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: catnipman

Hey, you’re quite good at figurin’ all that stuff out. You do that all by yourself?


37 posted on 02/14/2014 8:52:08 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: lbryce

I have said it before and I will say it again. The greatest danger to the Economy and Security of the United States is the Environmental Lobby and the politicians they buy.


38 posted on 02/14/2014 8:54:21 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Da Coyote
Please, liberals, leave the complicated things to us, and you take care of serving burgers.

Not joking. Liberals are just not the smartest of the bunch. And, they need someone else's help (government) to organize their daily lives and make tough decisions on their behalf. Emotionally gullible as well. Just not the sharpest bunch.

39 posted on 02/14/2014 8:55:25 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: catnipman
IF you are a “Progressive” who graduated in Lesbian Dance Theory ...

Are there night courses available?

40 posted on 02/14/2014 8:55:51 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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