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To: Lurking Libertarian
Maybe so, but it's the one amendment almost guaranteed not to pass. Can you imagine people anywhere in the U.S. voting to eliminate their right to vote?

Ah, but the people don't vote on amending the Constitution.

20 posted on 02/18/2014 2:29:41 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Ken H
Ah, but the people don't vote on amending the Constitution.

Not necessarily. Congress has the job of determining whether an amendment will be ratified by state legislatures or by state ratifying conventions. Should Congress choose state ratifying conventions, the people of a state would elect delegates to that ratifying convention whose job would be to vote up-or-down on the amendment.

Here is my usual boilerplate for these threads.

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The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicitly forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

26 posted on 02/18/2014 2:34:20 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Ken H
Ah, but the people don't vote on amending the Constitution.

(a) They do, if Congress votes to have the new amendments ratified by Conventions; and (b) they vote for their state legislators. The 17th Amendment was originally ratified only because there was a mass movement to vote out state legislators who refused to ratify it.

27 posted on 02/18/2014 2:35:49 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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