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To: cunning_fish

"Yanukovitz was in power for only a brief period of time, before him you had pro-Western administrations for a couple of decades."
I count 5 years of Yuschenko presidency. And during his time, the office of the president was much weaker than at any other time. Only a lunatic would call Kuchma (old commie red director) and Kravchuk (former communist party ideologue) to be pro-western.

Ahh, see, you need the plan of what is to come after, now.
I began to answer at #106. From what I've seen from the opposition, the list includes
- transferring some of the powers from the central government to the local level
- establish a balance between the presidency and the parliament by transferring some powers from his office to the parliament
- simplify the tax code
- institute complete reform of police forces (these are crooks beyond salvation, 75% of the population distrusts them, so I would just go into a community and give the badge to any first person I see. Invite Georgians
- complete reform of the judicial system and institute the jury system. The conviction rate now is in the high 90s, something is terribly wrong
- cut the number of parliamentarians in half, open the party lists to the public and in the parliament DISALLOW them to leave the party for which they were elected. (For those not familiar, people in Ukraine vote for a party, there are no riding candidates. A person becomes a member of parliament when the party leader gives them the seat. The problem happens later, when this person for obscene amounts of money switches sides and makes the party leader look stupid)
- make a deal with the eastern oligarchs. Threaten them, sweet talk to them, whatever will work. Make them pay their taxes in Ukraine, not offshore

Items below I haven't seen, but they would make sense to me. Again, this is just me playing a president
- comply with the IMF demands (to stop subsidies for the population, freeze pensions, public sector salaries etc.)
- start fracking tomorrow
- review the rate that Russia is paying to transfer gas through Ukraine
- go with the EU trade agreement in 6-9 months if eastern industries need additional time

Welcome to see any additions or critiques

131 posted on 02/19/2014 7:15:48 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa

>>>”Yanukovitz was in power for only a brief period of time, before him you had pro-Western administrations for a couple of decades.”
I count 5 years of Yuschenko presidency. And during his time, the office of the president was much weaker than at any other time. Only a lunatic would call Kuchma (old commie red director) and Kravchuk (former communist party ideologue) to be pro-western.<<<

You are talking about people bidding to joint NATO, sending Ukrainian troops to Iraq under US command, who at one time took over a fleet of Russian Blackjack bombers and bulldozed a dozen of them just to please USAF?:) What about shooting down Israel-bound Russian civilian airliner under said ‘pro-Russian’ government?

They were all pro-Russian, sure. /s LOL!

>>>- make a deal with the eastern oligarchs. Threaten them, sweet talk to them, whatever will work. Make them pay their taxes in Ukraine, not offshore<<<

I knew it is all about that. There are finally a few rich people left in Ukraine and you want your fair share.
Now I got it why the Western part don’t want partition.

>>>- comply with the IMF demands<<<

Good luck, but it makes sense to check an experience of nations who did it before:)

>>>(to stop subsidies for the population, freeze pensions, public sector salaries etc.)<<<

Nice receipt for another round of revolution, with just opposite slogans, considering a state of Ukrainian society.

>>>- review the rate that Russia is paying to transfer gas through Ukraine<<<

Yep, keep biting a hand feeding you. Too bad Russians aren’t that stupid and built pipelines to pump their gas directly to Germany and Italy.

>>>- go with the EU trade agreement in 6-9 months if eastern industries need additional time<<<

Do you mean to get ready for redistribution? Or to remove transfats and excessive sugar from their food products which are ok in Russia but no-no in EU? Or to pimp their avionics, targeting systems and engines to EADS instead of Russian Air Force? I guess it has to take more than 9 months to persuade Europeans to drop their Eurofighter program and start building Migs to utilize Ukrainian technology.

I don’t even want to comment the rest, it is pure idealism on your side.


132 posted on 02/19/2014 7:51:54 PM PST by cunning_fish
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