April 14, 2011: Leading party says Soros prepares “Libyan scenario” for Ukraine

Russia Today.com ^ | 14 April 2011

[Faith65]

interesting info- bkmk

[PieterCasparzen]

I learned computer programming in some Soros sponsored thing in early 90s of Estonia. At least this didn’t seem very sinister use of money.

It's great that you learned if you can go on to do good things. Often out of something bad comes something good.

That being said... this is a big complex picture.

In order to understand, one must understand international banking elites. Long story short, they seek to control and enslave, but to accomplish this "hidden in plain sight". They've done very well at it so far.

Their methods of taking control are largely centered around philanthropic efforts labeled as "doing good". The particpants - and the public - for the most part would have no idea the these "philanthropic efforts" have any alterior motive, as one would need to see the inter-relationship between the philathropy and the business and political goals of the benefactor. This inter-relationship is not published, of course, and a measure of business sophistication is needed to even understand it.

For instance, the "computer training" efforts had several benefits to new world order's ultimate goals. First, of course, they gained naive supporters who will help spread the word that the operation was good. Second, there are undoubtedly business tie-ins, such as the donation of computers, which serves as a tax write-off, was probably for equipment that was no longer marketable in advanced countries, it helped to establish whatever technology was donated - as the dominant technology in the new country. Third, the newly trained people could be a source of cheap labor for the benefactor. Etc. Of course, the political influence operations of Soros need a whole computer/network infrastructure, so starting the "side business" of providing computer training is just an efficient way of extending influence. I'm sure political operatives are recruited from all the "side businesses" as well. One of the end games of all this influence is, at the end, to bring countries into Western central banking, i.e., the central banks affiliated with the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland.

Two especially sinister plots are seen a lot in Africa, namely, medicine and food production. New world order always works toward completely taking over those two parts of the economy and changing their direction to a NWO agenda.

[Ivan Mazepa]

Not new to FR, forgot my screen name/password. My activation date predates yours, if it even means anything.

Soros, as a talking point, has been used by Russia to discredit the protesters repeatedly. You’re using it here too, but OK, I’m willing to believe it’s a genuine coincidence.

Sorry I might be repeating what I said elsewhere, but other KGB propaganda talking points to discredit the Ukrainian revolt are
- Ukrainian protesters have been paid to show up (right, 100,000-200,000 at a time, additional rates to dodge bullets)
- it’s financed by the US State Department, CIA, Zionists and other NGOs
- protesters are a minority extremists (who have the backing of half of the country)
- they will be performing terrorist acts

[PieterCasparzen]

As I’ve said, the talking points are correct, even though in this case you say they are KGB talking points.

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

I am not saying that the Russian government or the KGB should be running Ukraine.

Ukraine should be running Ukraine. No one else.

I am sure that Russia backing off and letting Ukraine self-determine, after decades of Ukraine being a USSR satellite nation, will take time and be contentious along the way.

But allowing in a Western PUPPET to replace a Soviet PUPPET will simply make the new overlord of Ukraine a vassal of the Western “team” instead of the Soviet “team”.

The financial elites, whose operatives spread throughout ALL intelligence agencies, all governments...

they are no one’s friend.

I am very saddened to say this. I wish I could say that the American government could be trusted to come in and help. But now I see, after many years, that the American government was long ago hijacked by elite international banking.

It’s elite finance that is running the American government - which they are now turning against morality.

I finally see that the financial elites have been pushing immorality, debt, debt slavery, tax slavery, drugs, depravity, greed - all along.

The financial elites have USED America to fight wars on their behalf.

Our own house is a mess and has been for a century. I know I feel I’ve been 100% lied to by the establishment. My education was, for the most part, a disgraceful, disgusting attempt at brainwashing.

If the Ukrainians want help directly from real Americans, they will need to contact them directly. Communicate on FR ! Perhaps contact through Tea Party websites.

[FBD]

The two sides appear to be socialism vs fascism.
Or something to that order. Is there a right side in this conflict?

[Ivan Mazepa]

I'm not for Ukraine to be a Russian puppet or a Western puppet either.

If the Ukrainians want help directly from real Americans, they will need to contact them directly. Communicate on FR ! Perhaps contact through Tea Party websites.

That's why I'm here, LOL I know, I know, it's a sad state of affairs if I'm their best "representative".
Not looking for direct help, just trying to raise awareness.

Disclaimer: not funded by Soros

[PieterCasparzen]

The two sides appear to be socialism vs fascism. Or something to that order.

Fascism is a brand name "dog-whistle" the financial elites came up with which stands for communism that they want branded as "right wing". The financial elites finance communism just as they do "capitalism". When a nation wants a loan, it goes to a banker. It is Western banking versus the current regime. Western banking wants a regime of its own choosing to bring the Ukraine into the Euro economic sphere.

Is there a right side in this conflict?

The people of Ukraine, but the waters are pretty muddy, IMHO, since some favor entry into Euro some don't, and Ukraine currently transacts a lot of business with Russia.

[FBD]

Bookmarking this post for the links. Thanks

[FBD]

Sounds very muddy...and unfortunately it looks like it’s gonna get very bloody...as you stated in one of your posts; they need their own banking, not the Euro.

[linMcHlp]

Russia Today, 04/14/2011

"It" is George Soros. Re Original Post, above:

The information about George Soros’s involvement in Ukrainian politics was openly voiced by Yulia Timoshenko in 2008. Timoshenko, then the country’s prime minister, said that she was attempting to minimize the effect of the global financial crisis by following George Soros’s advice.

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Project Syndicate, 03/03/2001

"It" is George Soros. His article:

The End of Ukraine?

Among former Soviet republics, Ukraine is the single biggest recipient of US aid and, worldwide, the fourth largest recipient of American aid.

I, too, have been deeply engaged in Ukraine, but my aim has been to help Ukraine and other former Soviet countries make the transition from closed to open societies. I established the Ukrainian Renaissance Foundation in 1989, two years before Ukraine became an independent country.