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To: cuban leaf

The immortal spirit of Apollyon is not in a place of darkness and chains only to be released at some future date because he’s now served his time, so why is he separated from us today? Why is he released in Revelation Chapter 9? Why is Satan not cast into the lake of fire at the same time as the beast and false prophet, not until 1000 years later?

There are principalities and powers held until the final disposition of the legal ownership of the Earth is worked through under the Laws and Ordinances, that is, of complete Holiness provided in the Earth as a mechanism that once established though Israel in the fallen Earth allowed for God to then insert himself into the flesh, to become a kinsman of Adam, to become a man, to make a way where there was no way, to redeem us under those same Holy laws that brought him to us, and yet those laws in the flesh required the shedding of innocent blood,

I understand we have many spirit-filled believers here with strong convictions, set in their opinions,

But to those still wondering, eternal torment (to believers) is a topic that seems to me to be of less importance to achieve a sound knowledge of than the fact of what is about to transpire here shortly in the flesh, but also because of that, perhaps it is a good time to consider,

That is knowing the lateness of the hour we’re in with the wrath of God about to be poured out on this physical Earth - for breaking the everlasting covenant (when this world divides Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria) bringing with it the return of Jesus to claim his inheritance (with the day of vengeance) coming as our Kinsman Redeemer with the Jubilee per Isaiah 63.

With that knowledge, then how much more or less are the workings toward immortal spirits with complete knowledge of the truth, rejecting it with regard to the vengeance and rightful judgement and retribution of a Holy God whose ways are not our ways, and whose thoughts are not our thoughts,

“Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; “ 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9

In Revelation Chapter 9, we’re told there would be those that would ‘seek death and not be able to find it, that would desire to die and death would flee from them.’ I believe its referring to those that expect death to be all they have to answer for in their unaccountable life of unbelief. They live in a world where they have everything they could ever want, and when it finally does end, are expecting nothing, this is all there is then blissful nothingness. But as the end of the age unfolds in front of them, they will know enough, or have heard enough, that when those days of vengeance do arrive, they will see death flee from them and their hoped for annihilation no longer to be found,

Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us, to save us from this fate,

When Jesus was looking over Jerusalem and was overcome with sorrow, and said ‘how often I would have gathered you together but you would not’ he was overcome with emotion, knowing the wrath that would be poured out upon this same generation, because the people of that very day did not know the time of their visitation. Their house (Israel, Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem and the Temple) was left (to them) desolate, and then the diaspora until the regathering at the time of the end, until today, until our day,

The communication Jesus recounted between Lazarus and the rich man was not a parable,

Parables were used so that ‘hearing’ they (unbelieving Israel) ‘would hear not, neither would they understand’

Because if Israel had understood in their unbelief, they would’ve been judged even more harshly for not knowing the time of their visitation,

Parables were used so only those of the Kingdom, born of his spirit with the comforter providing illumination could understand, some are difficult to understand even then, but it was not given to them to know,

There is nothing at all mystifying or to be misunderstood (in any age, or flesh or spirit) to Jew or gentile about the rich man asking Abraham and Lazarus to warn his relatives not to come to this place where he is in torment. With the response being, they have the Law of Moses and the prophets. And yet today we have an even more sure witness of the Jubilee of the Gospel, how much more then are we to be convicted in our unbelief to not go to judgement uncovered, without the pardon he freely provided to as many as would receive it,

Wrath and judgement are coming to this world first and then God will resolve all things in Heaven and to each of us will be given our accounting,


64 posted on 02/20/2014 9:12:37 PM PST by captmar-vell
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To: captmar-vell

The communication Jesus recounted between Lazarus and the rich man was not a parable,


Then call the story of Lazarus and the rich man allegory. There is a reason Lazarus is named and the rich man is not. And the number of brothers, etc. There are lots of breakdowns on the internet of what the story means. I linked to one. There are many others.

And the story of Lazarus and the rich man is certainly not referring to the time AFTER Hell is thrown into the lake of fire.


68 posted on 02/21/2014 5:23:00 AM PST by cuban leaf
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