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Why Play Cold War Games in Ukraine?
Copyright 2014 Creators.com The American Conservative ^ | February 21, 2014, 12:00 AM | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 02/21/2014 7:58:31 AM PST by Freelance Warrior

Richard Engel of NBC, reporting from Maidan Square in Kiev, described what he witnessed as the Feb. 19 truce collapsed.

Police began to back away from their positions in the square, said Engel. And the protesters attacked. Gunfire was exchanged and the death toll, believed to be in the dozens, is not known.

In short, the reality in Kiev is more complex than the black-and-white cartoon of Vladimir Putin vs. the freedom fighters drawn by our resident Russophobic elite. Perspective is in order.

First, though portrayed as a tyrannical thug, Viktor Yanukovych won the presidency of Ukraine in 2010 in what international observers called a free and fair election. He may not be Marcus Aurelius, but his remains the legitimate government.

Second, high among the reasons Yanukovych chose Russia’s offer to join its custom union over the EU is that Putin put a better deal on the table.

Moscow put up $15 billion in loans and cut-rate oil and gas. The EU offered some piddling loans and credits, plus a demand for reforms in the Ukrainian economy monitored by the IMF, but no commitment to full membership in the EU.

As for the “protesters” who came to Maidan Square in November, not all came simply to protest. Many set up tents and shacks, threw up barricades, seized government buildings, burned the headquarters of the ruling party, battled police and demanded the overthrow of the regime.

How many Western countries would permit a planned putsch in their capital city? Still, after weeks of protest, Yanukovych offered to negotiate.

He fired his prime minister and tendered the post to the leader of the opposition Arseniy Yatsenyuk. He offered to make Vitali Klitschko, the ex-heavyweight champion and the head of another opposition party, the deputy prime minister. His offer was rejected.

Yanukovych then had parliament repeal the tough laws against protests he had had enacted and delivered a full amnesty to those arrested during the months of occupation. In effect, Yanukovych offered peace and a coalition government with his opponents until new presidential elections new year.

Does that sound like an unyielding tyrant?

Why was this unacceptable? Because the protesters want Yanukovych out, new elections now, and Ukraine reoriented toward Europe.

While the opposition has every right to urge this course, is not next year’s presidential election the place to decide the future of the country? What kind of democracy is it where a democratically elected president can be forced out of office by mobs?

When Muhammed Morsi, the elected president of Egypt, was ousted in a military coup last summer, backed by huge crowds in Tahrir Square, John Kerry said the army was “restoring democracy.”

Is this the new American concept of democracy, that when an elected government makes a major decision many dislike, the people should take to the streets and shut down the capital until the president reverses course or resigns?

President Obama is telling the Yanukovych government to respect the protesters. No violence. But how would Obama react if thousands of Tea Party members established an encampment on the Mall, burned down the DNC, occupied the Capitol and demanded he either repeal Obamacare or resign?

Would Barack Obama negotiate?

Russia has accused us of meddling in Ukraine’s internal affairs.

And when we see the State Department’s Victoria Nuland in Maidan Square egging on the protesters, and hear tape of Nuland discussing with the U.S. ambassador whom we want in the next Ukrainian government, do not the Russians have a point?

Under George W. Bush, our National Endowment for Democracy helped to engineer color-coded revolutions in Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia, and Kyrgyzstan, but it failed in Belarus. We have a long track record of meddling.

And was it not interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine for John McCain to fly to Kiev, go down to Maidan Square, and do his best imitation of Mario Savio in Sproul Plaza?

If the Cold War is over, why are we playing these Cold War games?

Imagine where America would be today had the neocons gotten their way and brought Georgia and Ukraine into NATO.

We would have been eyeball-to-eyeball with Russia in the South Ossetian war of 2008, and eyeball-to-eyeball today over Kiev. Yet, in neither country is there any vital U.S. interest worth risking war with Russia.

What is coming in Ukraine, however, is likely to be far worse than what we have seen up to now. For this political crisis has deepened the divide between a western Ukraine that looks to Europe, and an east whose historic, linguistic, cultural and ethnic bonds are with Mother Russia.

With reports of police and soldiers in western Ukraine defecting from the government to join the rebellion, Ukraine could be a country sliding into civil war. If so, the spillover effects could be ominous.

But, to be candid, what happens in Ukraine has always been more critical to Moscow than it has ever been to us.

As Barack Obama said of Syria, this is “somebody else’s civil war.”


TOPICS: Russia
KEYWORDS: maidan; ukraine

1 posted on 02/21/2014 7:58:31 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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To: Freelance Warrior

Pat is right once again.


2 posted on 02/21/2014 8:01:35 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Freelance Warrior

Only one reason I can possibly think of...

Putin wants and needs a resurgent Russia. People like him never stop with one country.

For good or bad, I believe the US will be forced into supplying arms to those in opposition to Russia. Today’s WSJ has a very good editorial about Russia’s actions behind the scenes to control Ukraine.


3 posted on 02/21/2014 8:03:03 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Freelance Warrior

Gross misinterpretation of events and undercurrents in Ukraine. It is surely not black-and-white, Pat Buchanan is correct here, but the rest is pure speculation. Almost every dictator in history had some legitimacy, which never prevented them from committing heinous crimes. People of Ukraine rebelled against institutionalized corruption becoming norm just like in neighboring Russia. The only reason this revolution was not drowned in blood, is that mobsters in power sensed the magnitude of popular resentment and were trying to preserve their hides.


4 posted on 02/21/2014 8:09:46 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon
but the rest is pure speculation. Almost every dictator in history had some legitimacy

Buchanan has written some specific facts about the Ukrainian president's actions. They're not at all dictatorial, so Yanukovich is not a dictator. If he has lied you can denounce them one by one.

5 posted on 02/21/2014 8:19:14 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior
Yanukovych won the presidency of Ukraine in 2010 in what international observers called a free and fair election.

Based on the lie that he would pursue closer ties to the West. Once elected he did a 180.

Not to mention that Yanukovych is utterly and totally corrupt.

6 posted on 02/21/2014 8:22:11 AM PST by DManA
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

It doesn’t smell organic to me. It looks too much like the uprising to drive Mubarak out in Egypt where we found that the hard left was heavily involved in it. Too much willing social media participation.

Oddly enough, the uprising of a known increasingly hardline marxist government in Venezuela is getting very little attention.

The only thing I can say for sure is that there isn’t a whole lot we can do about any of it right now because we have a government run by incompetent morons who care only about themselves.


7 posted on 02/21/2014 8:29:03 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Pat is right once again.

With all due respect, no, he really isn't.

Second, high among the reasons Yanukovych chose Russia’s offer to join its custom union over the EU is that Putin put a better deal on the table.

Wrong. To quote Kostiantyn Yelisieiev: "Accession to the Customs Union may grant Ukraine only short-term dividends: a few billion dollars, about which Moscow says, are just a payment in exchange for the loss of sovereignty of Ukraine in the context of its own trade policy and rejection of integration into the EU.

However, the Association Agreement with the EU provides explicit legal and political guarantees of sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of the Ukrainian state.

[...] The accession to the Customs Union will reduce the welfare of Ukraine by 0.5% in the medium term and by 3.7% in the long term, while the DCFTA with the EU will increase this indicator by 4.3% in the medium term and by 11.8% in the long term.

As for the “protesters” who came to Maidan Square in November, not all came simply to protest. Many set up tents and shacks, threw up barricades, seized government buildings, burned the headquarters of the ruling party, battled police and demanded the overthrow of the regime.

So that's why they protested peacefully for months?

How many Western countries would permit a planned putsch in their capital city?

How many western countries would permit their president selling them out into serfdom? Would the US accept if Obama behaved like Yanukovich?

Yanukovych then had parliament repeal the tough laws against protests he had had enacted... What kind of democracy is it where a democratically elected president can be forced out of office by mobs?

Hitler was democratically elected and then did away with democracy bit by bit. Yanukovych tried the same, but failed with his version of the Reichstag Fire Decree. Repealing them was merely realizing that his attempt had failed, but not cause for applause.

But, to be candid, what happens in Ukraine has always been more critical to Moscow than it has ever been to us.
Only if one doesn't care about western values like liberty.

In conclusion: Buchanan might be right that the US certainly shouldn't sent troops to Kiev. But standing for something instead of appeasing Putin isn't wrong.
8 posted on 02/21/2014 8:29:40 AM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

But how would Obama react if thousands of Tea Party members established an encampment on the Mall, burned down the DNC, occupied the Capitol and demanded he either repeal Obamacare or resign?

Would Barack Obama negotiate?

Interesting analogy there from the Media.

The only way we should get involved is to offer to mediate between the Ukrainian protestors, their government and Putin.

Its a complex situation there. The Ukrainians - most of them - hate the Russians. There is a large minority of Ukrainians however who are ethnic Russians and want Anschloss with Mother Russia. Don’t know where the President falls in this situation, but Putin apparenly made him a good offer.

What WE should be asking (but it would NEVER happen under THIS administration) is WHY the hell we should do ANYTHING to help the EU when they are a collection of pro-homosexual, pro-Muslim, anti-American, left-wing degenerate socialist states.

As a matter of fact, maybe the Ukrainians should get over their anger at the Russians and ask themselves the SAME question.

Right now, I would be more than willing to swap Obama for Putin.


9 posted on 02/21/2014 8:33:03 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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10 posted on 02/21/2014 8:34:41 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Freelance Warrior; cunning_fish
In short, the reality in Kiev is more complex than the black-and-white cartoon of Vladimir Putin vs. the freedom fighters drawn by our resident Russophobic elite.

Pat has been reading FR.

He is dead on right on this one.

11 posted on 02/21/2014 8:34:45 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: DManA
Based on the lie that he would pursue closer ties to the West. Once elected he did a 180.

Correct. Last year I saw some footage of members of his OWN party planning a celebration for the day of the EU-Ukraine deal, with a blue and yellow flag theme (the colours of both Ukraine and the European Union):



A few days later these young party activists were stunned and disappointed with the sudden reversal.

Not to mention that Yanukovych is utterly and totally corrupt.

To quote the Kyiv Post: "Ukraine is in the midst of a financial as well as a political crisis, one that is essentially caused by embezzlement from the Ukrainian state by its rulers to the tune of $8 billion to $10 billion a year.". The level of corruption is mind-blowing.
12 posted on 02/21/2014 8:41:39 AM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

Dear Pat, shall we allow democratically elected governments to call out military snipers to shoot into crowds of their own people? What new form of democracy will we usher in, where governments can use their countries military to kill it’s own citizens in the streets for having an opposing view? How does the “Arena of Ideas” and debate, survive if governments can simply kill those who dare to debate? Could this new form of governing creep onto the shores of America?

The world is on fire, and it may not be a fire we started, but we advance the cause of “Dictatorships” if we turn and walk away.


13 posted on 02/21/2014 8:45:47 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Freelance Warrior
...Yanukovich is not a dictator...

Yeah, he sounds like a real nice guy.

Ukraine slides into full-blown dictatorship with brutal new law

14 posted on 02/21/2014 8:46:16 AM PST by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: wolf78

Buchanan can be such a bone head.


15 posted on 02/21/2014 8:48:32 AM PST by DManA
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To: Navy Patriot

The reality is Yanukovitz a toast. People who organized or took advantage of these riots (if they were really spontaneous which I doubt) knew full well that they can’t beat him in fair elections. He handled this situation really awful making them a favour.


16 posted on 02/21/2014 8:52:32 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: wolf78

Thanks for a good post.

The issue, despite news reports, really isn’t about a trade agreement with EU vs. Russia. That was just the final straw, so to speak.

The issue is about a rigged election and a corrupt leadership that has broken faith with a young nation that craves democracy and freedom.

An electoral process once rigged can be repeated, especially since Yanukovych and his cronies stay in power in the meantime. Yanukovych needs to go.


17 posted on 02/21/2014 9:16:11 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Freelance Warrior

I wonder which side Pat will be on when it happens here?


18 posted on 02/21/2014 9:20:31 AM PST by usmcobra (Happiness is a belt fed weapon.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

Fascist/commie spinning. Why did the Czechs play Cold War games in Czechoslovakia? Why did the Poles play Cold War games in Poland?


19 posted on 02/21/2014 9:29:10 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: All

In an amusing irony Pat now stands shoulder to shoulder with Prof Stephen Cohen with whom he used to tangle on Crossfire. Thirty years ago Cohen was a ubiquitous presence on CNN defending all things Soviet and is nowadays a Putin apologist. Strange bedfellows, indeed.
Btw, the Mario Savio reference is funny. Who the heck under 40 knows who Savio was?


20 posted on 02/21/2014 9:53:21 AM PST by pluvmantelo (The thing of it is, we must live with the living- Michel de Montaigne)
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To: Samogon

It interests me that a man named Patrick Buchanan apparently does not see the parallels between England-Ireland and Russia-Ukraine. Foreign power imposes control by imperial conquest, exploits natural resources, impoverishes and decimates indigenous population through terror-famine and massive emigration, settles people of their different culture and religion in positions of power, better jobs, etc., and wonders why the locals are “disloyal” after all they’ve done for them. Over time the imports and their descendants think they are natives, but memories are long. Force is required to maintain control. Yes it is a complex situation, with a lot more in play than a protest against corruption.


21 posted on 02/21/2014 10:26:57 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: pluvmantelo

I think its interesting that everyone is ignoring the fact that many of the protesters are from the bandaras nazi party. These are the same folks who manned a SS division in WW2, which operated in Ukraine. With the traumas of WW2, you think the Russian people let alone Putin will stand for a nazi themed goverment next door? Just on GP this will get Putin 100% backing from all russians.


22 posted on 02/21/2014 10:28:27 AM PST by goody2
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To: Freelance Warrior
thousands of Tea Party members established an encampment on the Mall, burned down the DNC, occupied the Capitol and demanded he either repeal Obamacare or resign?

I can't think of a better way to spend the weekend.
23 posted on 02/21/2014 10:41:42 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: wolf78

>>>To quote the Kyiv Post: “Ukraine is in the midst of a financial as well as a political crisis, one that is essentially caused by embezzlement from the Ukrainian state by its rulers to the tune of $8 billion to $10 billion a year.”. The level of corruption is mind-blowing.<<<

Was any previous Ukrainian administration any different?


24 posted on 02/21/2014 10:47:27 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Samogon

>>>People of Ukraine rebelled against institutionalized corruption becoming norm just like in neighboring Russia.<<<

You might be kidding here. Russian corruption is nowhere near Ukrainian level. Just visit one country and another. In Russia they have a vibrant middle class, while in the Ukraine there are a few rich officials and their cronies and the rest of the country are ox and cart. If you are lazy to visit, at least compare average incomes or GDP per capita figures.


25 posted on 02/21/2014 10:54:03 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Chewbarkah

You are right: striking resemblance, with some cultural adjustments/corrections. Yet it is not anti-Russian revolt, it’s rather anti-Sovok (common term for die-hard admirers of Soviet Union). Russians en masse seem genetically predisposed to feudal governance, Ukrainians gravitate to more modern society.


26 posted on 02/21/2014 10:59:54 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: goody2

Stop embarrassing yourself repeating Russian propaganda. “all russians” you claim to represent are not that stupid.


27 posted on 02/21/2014 11:02:34 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: cunning_fish

What income has to do with corruption, except the source? Try to think before you type. The Ukrainian “elite” ARE mostly Russian mobsters, building their wealth on the backs of honest Ukrainians.


28 posted on 02/21/2014 11:08:23 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon

Are you including a Maidan Queen Timoshenko into your ‘Russian mobster’ crowd?


29 posted on 02/21/2014 11:15:40 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Timoshenko? Sure.


30 posted on 02/21/2014 11:22:32 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon

Have you been to Russia or Ukraine and talked to people about WW2 or even watched the victory day parades? The war with the nazis affected everyone in the country personally. And yes the Bandaristas are a nazi based political group. Their flag is a modified swastika. Right after the soviet breakup the bandaristas became public again to include military style training camps. I’m not a great fan of Russia, {ie Georgia} but the opposition in this case is tainted even worse.


31 posted on 02/21/2014 11:34:15 AM PST by goody2
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To: Samogon

If so, I can’t understand your affiliations there. Are you expecting replacing Yanukovitz with another ‘Russian mobster’ as a result of these riots?


32 posted on 02/21/2014 11:35:01 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Navy Patriot
Pat has been reading FR.
He is dead on right on this one.

LOL, if Pat reads FR, he probably cries like a baby.

33 posted on 02/21/2014 11:36:52 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: cunning_fish

Unfortunately, yes - that is what I expect. There will be many cycles in this process, dinosaurs eventually will die out, but until then - it’s going to be a tug-o-war.


34 posted on 02/21/2014 11:39:52 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: goody2

Enjoy yourself, I won’t interrupt. You seem to be so convinced in all this nazi nonsense, that there is no point in arguing with you.


35 posted on 02/21/2014 11:45:48 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: cunning_fish
People who organized or took advantage of these riots (if they were really spontaneous which I doubt) knew full well that they can’t beat him in fair elections.

Even before the protests started, the opinion polls had him behind Klitchko or Yatsenuyk in head to head elections by 15-10 points. Now he's trailing the far-right Tyahnybok. The reason is that his eastern and southern base has been very disappointed by his policies. They would've dumped him long ago if not for the rigid communist-era party structure which doesn't allow an alternative.

The chance that Yanukovych would've allowed a fair election is zero point zero, like the 2012 parliamentary election.

36 posted on 02/21/2014 4:43:30 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: goody2

I have not read anything about this. Interesting.


37 posted on 02/21/2014 4:52:46 PM PST by pluvmantelo (The thing of it is, we must live with the living- Michel de Montaigne)
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To: Ivan Mazepa

As I said earlier I wouldn’t miss Yanukovitz.
You can vote in either Klitchko or Mike Tyson or anyone else you wish.


38 posted on 02/21/2014 5:13:12 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
You might be kidding here. Russian corruption is nowhere near Ukrainian level.

It's a battle of bottom feeders.

Transparency International,
in 2010 has Ukraine at 134th place; Russia at 154th
in 2013, Ukraine is 144th, Russia at 127

it doesn't mean anything, but when did your boy Yanek get elected?

39 posted on 02/21/2014 5:14:57 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa

>>Transparency International, in 2010 has Ukraine at 134th place; Russia at 154th in 2013, Ukraine is 144th, Russia at 127<<

These numbers with these respective NGOs makes less sense than basic astrology.
There are at least a dozen nations in first hundred, factually more corrupt than Ukraine and Russia combined.


40 posted on 02/21/2014 5:19:35 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

That’s the only authority I can think of, so you can take it for what it is. In my personal experience, they are that corrupt because you need a bribe for everything.

(This is like dumb and dumber contest) but from I heard from people who can make this comparison, is that Russian police - crime fighters and especially traffic cops - are worse in Russia than Ukraine. Again, take it for what it’s worth.


41 posted on 02/21/2014 5:56:02 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa
Even before the protests started, the opinion polls had him behind Klitchko or Yatsenuyk in head to head elections by 15-10 points

Ahh but that's not how Ukraine's presidential elections work and there is no indication the opposition would unite behind a single leader other than Yulia Tymashenko. This is why the European socialists were so insistant that she be released from prison as a pre-condition to their offer of associate status in their EU.

In a three way race Yanokovitch beats the two major opposition puppets much like Clinton did in 1992 with less than 50% of the vote.

42 posted on 02/21/2014 6:33:42 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
The debate that the opposition leaders had was whether they should go separately for the first round of elections. Whichever opposition leader got the most votes in the first round was to be the candidate going head to head against Yanukovich in the second round. There was no debate whatsoever that in the second round Yanukovich was to face one opposition candidate. This scenario was advocated by Tymoshenko, arguing that if Yanukovich was to campaign against all three of them, his efforts would be diluted (ie. not putting all your eggs in one basket) It also holds democratic appeal, since the one opposition leader is chosen by the voters in the first round, not in some back room agreement between the three leaders.

Those who wanted to see one candidate in the first round argued that this would show that the opposition is united and presents one concentrated common front against Yanukovich. If they a win by majority in the first round, second round wouldn't be needed.

For Yanukovich to beat the three leaders in the first round, he would need to get 50% +1 outright and the likelihood of that is nil

44 posted on 02/21/2014 9:31:08 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: ZULU
"But how would Obama react if thousands of Tea Party members established an encampment on the Mall, burned down the DNC, occupied the Capitol and demanded he either repeal Obamacare or resign?

Would Barack Obama negotiate?

Interesting analogy there from the Media."

Most likely Obama would call in his remade army to open fire on the citizenry and his state controlled media would either not report it or report it glowingly as his heroic action to save the Republic.

45 posted on 02/22/2014 3:46:23 AM PST by Truth29
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