Oldest fortified settlement ever found in North America? Location of Fort Caroline may be in Georgia

Science Daily ^ | February 22, 2014 | Florida State University

[Pelham]

“There was another settlement too Jamestown, which would have preceded Plymouth, but it did not survive.”

You need a new history book. Jamestown certainly did survive.

The Roanoke Colony of 1587 vanished, not Jamestown.

[bert]

I think the South Carolina find was Charles Fort on Paris Island, the failed 1562 attempt before Ft Caroline a few years later

[Tennessee Nana]

I learnt some hieroglyphics in elementary school..

It was a fun thing to do..

but then we were guided to think learning history was interesting and necessary...

Now the last couple of generations the natural thirst for knowledge has been weaned and out of kids..

[Political Junkie Too]

This is today's modern hieroglyphics to our students.

-PJ

[Democratic-Republican]

"BTW, the Fort Caroline National Historical Park was established in 1966 on land given to the park service for the establishment of the park. There was nothing there that actually drew the park service."

You got that right. Here's some gasoline for the fire ...

William Bartram visited the actual site of Fort Caroline in Georgia -- Examiner.com ( 2013-11-21 )

There is quite a backstory here with local and national politics spanning from Jacksonville up to DC with FDR and the New Deal.

These two latest researchers may or may not be correct, but everyone should keep a skeptical but open mind. According to that linked article it appears that skepticism was in very short supply 70+ years ago. BR

[bert]

Having read, in fact studied Three Voyages, the various other facts like the march times from the Spanish landings seem to favor a site further south than the northern islands in the chain.

But there is in fact something there, while there is nothing on the river of May.

While visiting the park I learned that there two brothers that owned the large tracts of a plantation located on both sides of the river. The last one to die wanted it ti be a park, a preserve.

In spite the congressman’s translation may be a little biased, it is remarkable in being an unique English language look into the 16 th century efforts to come to America.

[Noob1999]

...........Dear noob,
the map is not “bogus.
It is overlain with modern points of identification for clarity.
If you look closely, it is also overlain with the locations of current day
Hilton Head, Tybee, Sapelo, St. Simons, Jekyll, Cumberland, and Amelia Islands.

Sorry Repeal.........

I guess that I hadn’t looked at it close enough. I apologize!

Noob

[MD Expat in PA]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_settlements_by_year_of_foundation

According to this, Saint Augustine, Florida is the oldest continuously inhabited European established settlement in the United States – 1565.

St. Johns Newfoundland is the oldest English-founded city in North America – 1583

Jamestown Virginia was the oldest colony in the original thirteen colonies comprising the United States of America – 1607. And Jamestown served as the capital of the colony for 83 years, from 1616 until 1699. However in 1699, the capital was relocated from Jamestown to what is today Williamsburg, after which Jamestown ceased to exist as a settlement, existing today only as an archaeological site. So yes, Jamestown did survive as a settlement for 83 years.

Hampton Virginia (1610), Newport News Virginia (1613) and Albany New York (1614) all predate Plymouth (1620).

[Rebelbase]

That’s as good or better as some of my screw-ups.

[AnalogReigns]

I believe Menendez had something like 1,000 soldiers. Any wooden fort manned by 143 men, women and children would of been overwhelmed. As it is, they surrendered, and Menendez demanded these French Protestants (Huguenots) convert to Roman Catholicism...when they refused THEN he slaughtered them...

(And shortly thereafter, he captured the other half of the group of Huguenots fleeing....around 150, and slaughtered them the same way.

Menendez was the "founding father" of St. Augustine, FL....He is not talked about much though. SEE: Fort Caroline Massacre

[AnalogReigns]

Ummmm, check your history please. Jamestown did indeed survive, and is the OLDEST PERMANANT ENGLISH settlement in what is now the USA. Something like 90% of the original settlers died in the first few years, but Jamestown was eventually a successful settlement, and is how the colony of Virginia (MUCH bigger than Massachusetts btw) started.

Jamestown was the capitol of Virginia until 1699, when the capitol moved to Williamsburg. After that point Jamestown dwindled and eventually was turned into farmland.

Having been first settled in 1607, it is older than Plymouth, Mass. by 13 years.

[Kenny Bunk]

The Kensington Runestone is real.