Posted on 02/24/2014 10:20:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Unlikely to be a seizure. More a very willing secession, since they are ethnic Russians.
there should be two elements of Ukraine to settle this issue
The same applies to the US
Yes.
It wont be tagged as him seizing the AO. Nope. It’ll be tagged, both by his and our media, as Russia coming to the aid of an oppressed minority.
The Ukraine won’t sit still for it. The legit portion of The Ukraine, anyway.
It will then turn into a full blown civil war much in the form of the Spanish civil war.
Poland has already, more or less, declared for the western Ukraine. I suspect Hungry to do the same soon.
The EU will interfere in their usual passive aggressive, cowardly and mealy mouthed manner as well.
Europe will write memos. It will not fight for the freedom of the Ukraine.
To Khrushchev it wasn't just a gift....He was trying to win a power struggle at the time, and he needed to win over the Ukrainians he ruled over as Stalin's appointed boss.
Crimean main anti-Russian element are Muslim Turkish leftovers, making between 10 and 15% population. It is enough to make troubles.
The Kenyan bastard’s weakness and cowardice practically invites a Russian attack and has brought us to the verge of World War III.
>>(including the Holodomor - its equivalent of the Holocaust)<<
Not again...
F the EU.
That's correct - a strong, self-reliant Ukraine will never again have millions of its people deliberately starved to death by Russian overlords.
>>>That’s correct - a strong, self-reliant Ukraine will never again have millions of its people deliberately starved<<<
Really hope for that, but I was mostly referring to Holodomor myth you have brought up.
Pretty much.....that part of the Ukraine would prefer
to remain Russian. If such a partition could be arranged
peacefully then so be it. Putin however is not particularly
subtle. Things could get ugly if they don’t go his way.
Hard to believe Russia would let Crimea go. They didn’t expel the Tatars en masse for nothing.
They have already hauled up the Russian tricolor and taken down the Ukrainian flag.
The new authorities in Kiev are more bent on seeking revenge than in working for national unity.
Moscow would not mind if Ukraine split up and for most Russians the NovoRossiya has always been part of the Motherland.
Same issues as Georgia.
Half pro Russian or transplanted Russian Nationals...Other half wants independence and there is also a religious aspect.
This is all far from over..and even when victory is declared by one side or the other, it’s still not over..
“Europe will write memos. It will not fight for the freedom of the Ukraine.”
That’s, basically what I meant.
Add to it, though, that the EU will invent some way to blame the Russian atrocities on the US, while demanding that the US “do something!” to fix it.
Stalin’s famine affected Russia as well, especially the Kuban valley. If we are going to talk about Stalinist crimes, you should also look at what Stalin did to the Crimean Tatars. The crimes of a Georgian communist are no reason to force Russians and Tatars to be slaves to Ukraine. Ukraine should have self-determination and so should Crimea and eastern oblasts like Luhansk.
The West should abandon its obsession with keeping a disparate people together within borders set by foreign colonial powers, and not by the people themselves. Crimea and eastern Ukraine should have a fair vote, and if a supermajority (say 60%) want to secede, they should be allowed to do so.
US policy has been schizophrenic, promoting the breakup of Yugoslavia, while insisting that Bosnia and Herzegovina remain as one country. Then wanting Kosovo to split from Serbia while not letting its Serb parts remain in Serbia.
In each case, US sided with Muslims, who are not known for liking compromise or living peaceably with other religions.
Eritrea Muslims didn’t want to live under Ethiopian Christians, so that’s OK.
And somehow we let South Sudan free to fight among themselves.
Iraqis are still killing each other because we tried to make one nation out of three. Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Somalia (Somaliland) should be broken up into uncivilized parts and half-civilized parts. Libya and Syria, too. Maybe I’ll move to the Republic of Texas.
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